necklessone wrote: Mister E. Meat wrote:
necklessone wrote:Furin voters:
If you're voting for Furin purely because of the vote swaps yesterday, consider this: why would the wolves be willing to use a power that points directly at one of their own to kill Ozy of all people? They must have loved Ozy still being in the game because it completely derailed any conversation in the day thread.
I'm sympathetic to that line of reasoning but at the same time what makes you think that Furin didn't just do it himself. It would be awfully convenient to do something like that and just claim "Wolves!" afterward.
Because of the amount of attention it drew his way. While Furin had gathered a few votes at the beginning of the game, people weren't gunning for him until yesterday when it became apparent he was trying to trigger a power. He also started drawing attention to himself early in the day when the only person who appeared to be in jeopardy was Ozy. So in the world where Furin's a wolf, it seems risky to so blatantly charge up his powers.
The other question is what did saving San accomplish? Even if Wolf-Furin talks his way out of being lynched, San is still likely to be killed before too long for the same reasons he was up for lynch in the first place. And if San dies a wolf, you know Wolf-Furin is getting lynched the next day.
There's just not a lot of upside for Wolf Furin to do things the way they were done unless it was vitally important to buy San a few more days at the risk of Furin. It seems a lot more likely that the wolves knew they were going to be able to swing some number of votes and moved them to kill a human and force us to spend time on this conversation today.
Edit: Changed "Furin" to "Wolf-Furin" in a few places for clarity.
I think it's pretty telling that I haven't voted for Furin yet. After all I think I have the biggest ax to grind on him. What I think is going on is that someone close to him is lying and manipulating him and ultimately controlled those votes and what he thought his power was.
I do have to say though, going back through yesterday's thread and the PM's between me and Furin it's not looking good for him (there are several provable lies in those PM's Furin, which can be discounted as "I don't trust you so I'm not going to tell you the truth") but how this isn't a frame up is beyond me.
Pre-post edit: I know you're going to ask for an example of a lie. When first PM'd by Furin I was told the experiment was a failure but not other useful information. I responded with a point blank request as to why he has my mirror. I also told him very clearly that until he answered me I would not be moving his vote.
A little while later he responds to me saying he has no clue what I am talking about, then starts on about how he thinks he had be mauled. He said he had been mauled but was protected by a 3rd party and that he was under protection again from someone, who may or may not have been the same person. He then asks me about the goat and the badger.
I respond with a quote of this post ... viewtopic.php?f=18&t=59&start=150#p1867
and told him that my mirror had been stolen in an attack. At that point I had been holding out hope that the attack had come from a well meaning human and that they'd eventually start talking. I pressed my question further demanding a truthful answer before I'd move my vote.
His next response was a bit of a back peddle, but kind expected. Suddenly he said he was only explaining the options available to his power. Once again his protection was "definitely" coming from an outside source. He also vowed to help me find my mirror through PM but never responded to me again.
At that point I responded (since we were now discussing the codes in his PM's) that I thought it was very unlikely he was getting protection from an outside source. Furin was claiming via PM that it was 2 earths and a water than gave him his abilities. I pointed out that with 2 Earth's dead it was very unlikely that another GA had formed while he himself had gotten 2 Earths. I also pointed out that the goat seemed more like a cheese to me.
The lie in there is that he had any GA protection of his own, or that anyone else was GA protecting him (okay maybe not an outright lie but certainly far fetched). So either Furin is a lying wolf, or someone furin trusts is a lying wolf. So far I am giving him the benefit of the doubt, especially after seeing the votes last night. I think someone is whispering sweet nothings in Furin's ear, and they're all fucking lies.
What is interesting is that this is exactly the kind of wacky shit a wolf Ravebomb
For what it's worth, though, his talking to himself is awfully entertaining.-sphen
he is a master bullshitter so he could just take things out of his own ass or whatever comes from his mind to argue.-Rekard