Day 7: The Shocking Truth about twdog

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Day 7: The Shocking Truth about twdog

Postby necklessone » 09 Sep 2013, 18:28:08

Nick takes the podium as twdog is already being led off. "What do you think, folks?" he asks the crowd and cameras. "Did they catch a wolf or a madman? What does the big board say?"

twdog - 15 - FurinMirado, Iron Clad Burrito, San, Nitestorm, Ozymandias, Admetus, Aldax, blindsniper83, Visigoth, Rictus, leiden, Okaros, sphenodont, redead, Ionitor
Admetus - 1 - Smirker
Iron Clad Burrito - 1 - twdog


A cheesy howl sound effect echoes from the rafters as "Wolf" flashes beneath twdog's picture. More confetti rains from the sky. The audience even seems to be doing a little dance in their seats as they clap. Even Nick seems happier than usual. "Well done, contestants. Why don't we start with the good new?" He heads for the stack of wrapped prizes.

"Such a bounty of prizes for you all. I'll have the staff distribute the boxes soon, but let me open a sample one for you." He rips the paper of the top box in the pile and tosses it into the giant tan box. "Well, isn't this interesting. More vote manipulation!" Nick raises up a small piece of paper. "Such a big box for such a small ticket. Each one of these is worth -1 vote on Round 7 only. I'll just apply all of those automatically."

He rattles the box. "Oh, and what's this? It's a Negative 1/2 Multiplier Coupon: if used along with one of the Round 4 prizes, you can turn your protective coupon into a vote multiplier. We'll round up, so if you received a -3 vote coupon on Round 3, you can now redeem it for -3 votes against you or to make your vote +2. Round 7 only, of course. We need to use those up before they expire."

Some staffers come to pick up boxes for Nick and he does a quick count. "No no, we only need to give out 14 of these. Sadly, Mister Mirado is being sent back his hotel room with a bottle of cheap vodka and The Wolfing Game Home Edition as well as The Wolfing Game 3DS. One less seer to help you all out." He walks back to the podium talking to the camera. "Coming up next round, more individual prizes and that damn tan box of penalties."

The lights dim and a spotlight illuminates Nick as he reaches his podium.

"We are down to our final seventeen: 11 contestants, 6 wolves. So, contestants: who are the wolves?"

twdog, Wolf - Lynched
Furin Mirado E. Meat, Contestant Seer - Mauled
[+] Vote History
FurinMirado voted for twdog
Iron Clad Burrito voted for twdog
Nitestorm voted for rekard (Retracted)
San voted for twdog
Nitestorm voted for twdog
Admetus voted for San (Retracted)
Ozymandias voted for blindsniper83 (Retracted)
RaveBomb voted for twdog (Retracted)
Ozymandias voted for twdog
Admetus voted for twdog
Aldax voted for twdog
blindsniper83 voted for twdog
twdog voted for His Own Doom (Retracted)
Visigoth voted for twdog
Rictus voted for twdog
leiden voted for twdog
Okaros voted for twdog
Smirker voted for RaveBomb (Retracted)
twdog voted for Iron Clad Burrito
Ionitor voted for Smirker (Retracted)
sphenodont voted for twdog
redead voted for twdog
Smirker voted for Admetus
Ionitor voted for twdog


No vote recorded (2) : Griffypoo, RaveBomb. First missed one for both.

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Re: Day 7: The Shocking Truth about twdog

Postby RaveBomb » 09 Sep 2013, 18:29:59

That's what I get for not paying attention to the time.

Next time I don't pull my vote until I actually change it.
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Re: Day 7: The Shocking Truth about twdog

Postby Ozymandias » 09 Sep 2013, 18:34:10

I still think Smirkeris a Wolf, for all of the reasons discussed HERE.

Here's the quick version, for those who don't want to read that whole post again ...

(A) The only known Wolf involved in a close lynch vote was dferrantino on Day 4. I believe that at least 1 and possibly 2 Wolves voted for me on that day, and Smirker, Rave, and Nitestorm are the only remaining candidates (since ICB is a confirmed Human, and rekard is dead).

(B) There are STILL way too many Seers, even after twdog's exposure. I am especially suspicious of the three claimed Seers who have only gotten one result: Smirker, Ionitor, and sphenodont. The Paranoid/Seer/Naive Seer roles are just too easy to fake. And of the three, the Paranoid Wolf is the best Seer role for a Wolf to assume, since early on you get to cry "Wolf!" with impunity.
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Re: Day 7: The Shocking Truth about twdog

Postby Griffypoo » 09 Sep 2013, 18:42:11

Aww, fuck me. I got into an instance and missed the cutoff. I wanted to call his bluff with a smarmy one-liner.

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Re: Day 7: The Shocking Truth about twdog

Postby Ionitor » 09 Sep 2013, 18:43:40

I failed to get a dossier, targeting Ravebomb.

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Re: Day 7: The Shocking Truth about twdog

Postby leiden » 09 Sep 2013, 18:54:25

I didn't fail on Ravebomb.

He's a wolf.

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Re: Day 7: The Shocking Truth about twdog

Postby Ionitor » 09 Sep 2013, 18:57:30

I suspected I was targeted by the power blocker -- I'm guessing/hoping that ICB won't protect me, at least. Which implies that they are worried about me finding the two fixed points, and I suspect Ravebomb may be one of them.

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Re: Day 7: The Shocking Truth about twdog

Postby leiden » 09 Sep 2013, 19:00:51

I believe today is obvious.

Ravebomb

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Re: Day 7: The Shocking Truth about twdog

Postby Ionitor » 09 Sep 2013, 19:13:07

I suggest we wait until tomorrow, so I can check Ravebomb again. The only way they can stop me now is to maul me, but they want me alive... :twisted:

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Re: Day 7: The Shocking Truth about twdog

Postby Smirker » 09 Sep 2013, 19:16:01

Ozymandias wrote:I still think Smirker is a Wolf, for all of the reasons discussed HERE.

Here's the quick version, for those who don't want to read that whole post again ...

(A) The only known Wolf involved in a close lynch vote was dferrantino on Day 4. I believe that at least 1 and possibly 2 Wolves voted for me on that day, and Smirker, Rave, and Nitestorm are the only remaining candidates (since ICB is a confirmed Human, and rekard is dead).

(B) There are STILL way too many Seers, even after twdog's exposure. I am especially suspicious of the three claimed Seers who have only gotten one result: Smirker, Ionitor, and sphenodont. The Paranoid/Seer/Naive Seer roles are just too easy to fake. And of the three, the Paranoid Wolf is the best Seer role for a Wolf to assume, since early on you get to cry "Wolf!" with impunity.

Wow. well, since you weren't jailed this time I bet you suspected I would seer you; and you were right. And interestingly enough you seered as a contestant for me.

Even if I do get put down everyone should realize that i finally got my first non-wolf seering; and it was Ozymandias.

[e]: And for arguments sake I'd still think that going for a purely random role would be better as someone could always actually ROLL random results and pass it off as the seering. Paranoid/Naive Seer types and such are still strong choices but I would've ranked the insane best for a cover myself.

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Re: Day 7: The Shocking Truth about twdog

Postby Ozymandias » 09 Sep 2013, 19:22:51

Smirker wrote:Wow. well, since you weren't jailed this time I bet you suspected I would seer you; and you were right. And interestingly enough you seered as a contestant for me.

Even if I do get put down everyone should realize that i finally got my first non-wolf seering; and it was Ozymandias.

So I accuse you of being a Wolf with a series of rational arguments and instead of defending yourself, you resort to claiming to Seer me as the Handsome Devil to try to get me lynched?

How INCREDIBLY convenient for you.

Whatever. If I do die today, you're going to get runaway lynched tomorrow, so at least I know I'm taking you with me.

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Re: Day 7: The Shocking Truth about twdog

Postby Smirker » 09 Sep 2013, 19:25:40

If my theory of me being a Paranoid seer is indeed correct, I can't even tell you how happy I am that it looks like I managed to fulfill my purpose/utility. :)

And with the bonus tickets flying around this round it should be very exciting!

[phantom edit]: You want me to defend against the same accusations as earlier that are based on your own flawed logic? Nah, I've already done that. When I am lynched or mauled and revealed as a seer, my statements will stand for themself. I've reported exactly what I've gotten, so unless some other dossier dickery was enabled via 'bonus' prizes I have a fine and clean conscience. :mrgreen:

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Re: Day 7: The Shocking Truth about twdog

Postby Visigoth » 09 Sep 2013, 19:33:51

Updated charts
[+] Votes
Day 1
FurinMirado - 6 - Omega, Mister E. Meat, Mortus, twdog, Ozymandias, Ionitor
Ionitor - 4 - Okaros, Iron Clad Burrito, Visigoth, Rictus
simple_simon - 4 - Griffypoo, Aldax, Smirker, Ryvvn
Ryvvn - 3 - Meta4, Wasabi, sphenodont
Hellheart - 2 - blindsniper83, redead
Ozymandias - 2 - Nitestorm, dferrantino
Admetus - 1 - DastardlyOldMan
Meta4 - 1 - leiden
Mortus - 1 - RaveBomb
Nitestorm - 1 - Admetus
RaveBomb - 1 - Hellheart
rekard - 1 - simple_simon
San - 1 - stigmata
stigmata - 1 - FurinMirado
twdog - 1 - San
Visigoth - 1 - rekard

Official list showed Ryvvn voting on Hellheart but he did change (no redaction) to Simple_Simon. But redead did vote on Hellheart and is not listed so guessing typo. Maybe?

Day 2
Mortus - 9 - Okaros, FurinMirado (Mister E Meat), DastardlyOldMan, RaveBomb, Admetus, Ozymandias, Nitestorm, Ionitor, Ryvvn
RaveBomb - 7 - simple_simon, Omega, Aldax, Blindsniper83, Mortus, Iron Clad Burrito, Smirker
Nitestorm - 4 - leiden, Griffypoo, twdog, dferrantino
Ionitor - 2 - Meta4, stigmata
Aldax - 1 - Hellheart
dferrantino - 1 - rekard
rekard - 1 - sphenodont
Rictus - 1 - San
Ryvvn - 1 - Visigoth

Day 3
RaveBomb - 8 - simple_simon, FurinMirado (Mister E Meat), Ryvvn, Rictus, Nitestorm, Aldax, Stigmata, Ionitor
Ryvvn - 8 - Smirker, Ozymandias, Omega, twdog, blindsniper83, RaveBomb, sphenodont, redead
FurinMirado (Mister E Meat) - 5 - leiden, San, Okaros, Iron Clad Burrito, Admetus
Nitestorm - 2 - Griffypoo, Visigoth
Admetus - 1 - DastardlyOldMan
Ionitor - 1 - rekard
Ozymandias - 1 - dferrantino

Hellheart - Vigged by blindsniper83

Day 4
dferrantino - 7 - Ozymandias, FurinMirado (Mister E Meat), stigmata, leiden, Rictus, Ionitor, redead
Ozymandias - 6 - Smirker, Nitestorm, dferrantino, RaveBomb, Iron Clad Burrito, rekard
twdog - 3 - Visigoth, San, simple_simon
blindsniper83 - 2 - Griffypoo, twdog
simple_simon - 2 - Omega, Okaros
RaveBomb - 1 - Aldax
Smirker - 1 - sphenodont
stigmata - 1 - Admetus

Day 5
Omega - 7 - Ionitor, Okaros, FurinMirado (Mister E Meat), Rictus, twdog, rekard, Admetus
Smirker - 6 - Iron Clad Burrito, leiden, Ozymandias, stigmata, RaveBomb, sphenodont
RaveBomb - 3 - Smirker, Visigoth, Aldax
Griffypoo - 2 - Nitestorm, blindsniper83
Admetus - 1 - San
blindsniper83 - 1 - Griffypoo

Day 6
twdog - 15 - FurinMirado (Mister E Meat), Iron Clad Burrito, San, Nitestorm, Ozymandias, Admetus, Aldax, blindsniper83, Visigoth, Rictus, leiden, Okaros, sphenodont, redead, Ionitor
Admetus - 1 - Smirker
Iron Clad Burrito - 1 - twdog


Updated Seer results:
Night 1 - sphenodont - Seer
Night 2 - DastardlyOldMan - Contestant
Night 3 - twdog - Wolf
Night 4 - rekard - Seer
Night 5 - rekard - Contestant
Night 6 - Aldax - No Dossier

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Re: Day 7: The Shocking Truth about twdog

Postby Okaros » 09 Sep 2013, 20:33:23

Oh god, that's a sick feeling in my stomach. If Ozy's the Handsome Devil, then his Day 1 sniping shenanigans aren't just Ozy prize-chasing...

Ozymandias I'm sorry if you're really human, but we've gotta know for sure. Because if not, some of my assumptions about who's been human all this time have been seriously off...
I kind of assume Okaros is out to backstab me until proven otherwise. - DOM

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Re: Day 7: The Shocking Truth about twdog

Postby Admetus » 09 Sep 2013, 20:37:25

Smirker vs Ozy is very gripping, and I'mma let you finish that, but I think we should also be able to figure out what is going on in San vs Okaros vs Blindsniper. Clearly twdog is no wolf vig. Clearly he is also no wolf-vig-seer.

San, I think this should be super easy for you to settle.

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Re: Day 7: The Shocking Truth about twdog

Postby Nitestorm » 09 Sep 2013, 20:39:44

Okaros wrote:Oh god, that's a sick feeling in my stomach. If Ozy's the Handsome Devil, then his Day 1 sniping shenanigans aren't just Ozy prize-chasing...

Ozymandias I'm sorry if you're really human, but we've gotta know for sure. Because if not, some of my assumptions about who's been human all this time have been seriously off...


I support this man. :D

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Re: Day 7: The Shocking Truth about twdog

Postby Nitestorm » 09 Sep 2013, 20:40:42

Updated results:

Night 1: Ozymandias = "Wolf"
Night 2: Ozymandias = "Super Wolf"
Night 3: Ozymandias = "Ultra Wolf"
Night 4: Ozymandias = "Omega Wolf"
Night 5: Ozymandias = "Alpha Wolf"
Night 6: Ozymandias = "Crafty Wolf"

Heed my warnings people! :shock:

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Re: Day 7: The Shocking Truth about twdog

Postby Ozymandias » 09 Sep 2013, 20:42:03

Current Vote Tally:
Ozymandias - 2 - Smirker, Okaros
Rave - 1 - leiden
Smirker - 1 - Ozymandias
San - 1 - Admetus
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Re: Day 7: The Shocking Truth about twdog

Postby Nitestorm » 09 Sep 2013, 20:42:53

Ozymandias wrote:I still think Smirker is a Wolf, for all of the reasons discussed HERE.

Here's the quick version, for those who don't want to read that whole post again ...

(A) The only known Wolf involved in a close lynch vote was dferrantino on Day 4. I believe that at least 1 and possibly 2 Wolves voted for me on that day, and Smirker, Rave, and Nitestorm are the only remaining candidates (since ICB is a confirmed Human, and rekard is dead).

(B) There are STILL way too many Seers, even after twdog's exposure. I am especially suspicious of the three claimed Seers who have only gotten one result: Smirker, Ionitor, and sphenodont. The Paranoid/Seer/Naive Seer roles are just too easy to fake. And of the three, the Paranoid Wolf is the best Seer role for a Wolf to assume, since early on you get to cry "Wolf!" with impunity.


Ozymandias accusing me of being a wolf? What else is new. His wolf like behavior should be obvious to everyone by now. :flail: :flail: :flail: :flail: :flail: :flail: :flail: :flail:

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Re: Day 7: The Shocking Truth about twdog

Postby Nitestorm » 09 Sep 2013, 20:45:29

I'm just going to blindly vote for Redacted from Okaros for the moment, subject to change whenever I feel like it or never at all.
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Re: Day 7: The Shocking Truth about twdog

Postby Ozymandias » 09 Sep 2013, 21:05:03

Let me know if I have any of these Seer vision claims wrong ...

ALDAX

Night 1: Ravebomb = "Wolf"
Night 2: Hellheart = "Seer"
Night 3: Ozy = "Contestant"
Night 4: Mister Furin = "Seer"
Night 5: leiden = "No Result"
Night 6: "No Result"

MISTER FURIN = CONFIRMED HUMAN SEER

Night 1: Griffypoo = "Wolf" (relayed by necklessone)
Night 2: Griffypoo = "Wolf"
Night 3: Iron Clad Burrito = "Wolf"
Night 4: Ozy = "No Result"
Night 5: twdog = "Contestant"


IONITOR

Night 1: San = "Seer"
Night 2: San = "Seer"
Night 3: stigmata = "Seer"
Night 4: Visigoth = "Seer"
Night 5: sphenodont = "Seer"
Night 6: Ravebomb = "No Result"

LEIDEN

Night 1: Ryvvn = "Contestant"
Night 2: Hellheart = "Contestant"
Night 3: Rekard = "No Result"
Night 4: Ionitor = "Seer"
Night 5: Ozy = "No Result"
Night 6: Ravebomb = "Wolf"

RICTUS

Night 1: Hellheart = "Wolf"
Night 2: Did not vote
Night 3: Iron Clad Burrito = "Wolf"
Night 4: rekard = "Contestant"
Night 5: Ravebomb = "Wolf"
Night 6: Smirker = "Wolf"

SAN ???

DOM = "Contestant"
Griffypoo = "Contestant"
Omega = "Contestant"
Admetus = "Seer"
Aldax = "Seer"
Okaros = "Wolf"

SMIRKER

Night 1: rekard = "Wolf"
Night 2: Ionitor = "Wolf"
Night 3: Iron Clad Burrito = "Wolf"
Night 4: blindsniper = "Wolf"
Night 5: Ozy = "No Result"
Night 6: Ozy = "Contestant"

SPHENODONT

Night 1: Ozy = "Contestant"
Night 2: Ozy = "Contestant"
Night 3: Mister Furin = "Contestant"
Night 4: rekard = "Contestant"
Night 5: San = "Contestant"
Night 6: Ionitor = "Contestant"

VISIGOTH

Night 1: sphenodont = "Seer"
Night 2: DOM = "Contestant"
Night 3: twdog = "Wolf"
Night 4: rekard = "Seer"
Night 5: rekard = "Contestant"
Night 6: Aldax = "No Result"

ICB JAILER TARGETS

Night 1: twdog
Night 2: blocked
Night 3: ???
Night 4: ???
Night 5: Ozy
Night 6: TBD

WOLF POWER BLOCKER TARGETS

Night 1: ???
Night 2: ICB
Night 3: leiden?
Night 4: Furin?
Night 5: Aldax?
Night 6: TBD
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Re: Day 7: The Shocking Truth about twdog

Postby Rictus » 10 Sep 2013, 03:12:58

I seered Smirker as a wolf.
Charming, to the last.
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Re: Day 7: The Shocking Truth about twdog

Postby Ionitor » 10 Sep 2013, 03:23:18

San, are/were you the vig seer? I just noticed something...

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Re: Day 7: The Shocking Truth about twdog

Postby Rictus » 10 Sep 2013, 03:45:16

Ozymandias, you're one handsome devil.

And your logic stinks.
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Re: Day 7: The Shocking Truth about twdog

Postby necklessone » 10 Sep 2013, 03:55:54

[+] Full Vote Count
Ozymandias : 2 : Day 6 Prize, Smirker, Okaros, Rictus
RaveBomb : 1 : leiden
Smirker : 1 : Ozymandias
Okaros : 0 : Day 6 Prize, Nitestorm
San : 0 : Day 6 Prize, Admetus
Admetus : -1 : Day 6 Prize
Aldax : -1 : Day 6 Prize
blindsniper83 : -1 : Day 6 Prize
Ionitor : -1 : Day 6 Prize
Iron Clad Burrito : -1 : Day 6 Prize
leiden : -1 : Day 6 Prize
Nitestorm : -1 : Day 6 Prize
redead : -1 : Day 6 Prize
Rictus : -1 : Day 6 Prize
sphenodont : -1 : Day 6 Prize
Visigoth : -1 : Day 6 Prize


Edit: That's a mess. Going to cut the tally down to just the people with votes and post the other in spoilers going forward.
Ozymandias : 2 : Day 6 Prize, Smirker, Okaros, Rictus
RaveBomb : 1 : leiden
Smirker : 1 : Ozymandias
Okaros : 0 : Day 6 Prize, Nitestorm
San : 0 : Day 6 Prize, Admetus
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Re: Day 7: The Shocking Truth about twdog

Postby Ionitor » 10 Sep 2013, 03:57:13

Ozy, why would the wolves seer you on day 5, when it was quite clear that you weren't a seer?

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Re: Day 7: The Shocking Truth about twdog

Postby San » 10 Sep 2013, 05:30:53

DastardlyOldMan Contestant
Griffypoo Contestant
Omega Contestant

Admetus Seer
Aldax Seer

Okaros Wolf

The pen is mightier than the sword.

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Re: Day 7: The Shocking Truth about twdog

Postby Ozymandias » 10 Sep 2013, 05:34:23

San wrote:DastardlyOldMan Contestant
Griffypoo Contestant
Omega Contestant

Admetus Seer
Aldax Seer

Okaros Wolf

The pen is mightier than the sword.

San, assuming these are your visions, would you mind breaking them down night by night?
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Re: Day 7: The Shocking Truth about twdog

Postby Ionitor » 10 Sep 2013, 05:40:32

So, that sounds like San is actually the vig seer. Which means... I'm still a potentially good seer. Which means that the wolves may just need to kill me, after all. :eyebrow:

Thinking it over more, it's really hard to come up with a reason why the wolves would have known about ICB jailing Ozymandias on night 5. Which means that Smirker is a human seer, which implicates Ozy as the handsome devil. This backs my earlier gut feel. Ever since I got a human read on him on day 2, that's been absent on every day after that. His votes are too focused on small aspects of the record, instead of the usual Ozy-gestalt.

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Re: Day 7: The Shocking Truth about twdog

Postby Ozymandias » 10 Sep 2013, 05:42:45

Ionitor wrote:Ozy, why would the wolves seer you on day 5, when it was quite clear that you weren't a seer?

Because if Smirker claimed to Seer me on a night when I was jailed, then ICB could expose him as a lying Wolf.

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Re: Day 7: The Shocking Truth about twdog

Postby Ozymandias » 10 Sep 2013, 05:51:52

Ionitor wrote:So, that sounds like San is actually the vig seer. Which means... I'm still a potentially good seer. Which means that the wolves may just need to kill me, after all. :eyebrow:

I agree that the Wolves targeting you suggests that you may not be the Seer Seer after all-- which, incidentally, makes much more sense as a crappy Wolf Seer then a crappy Human Seer (because Humans don't particularly care about finding Seers, but Wolves obviously do).

Ionitor wrote:Thinking it over more, it's really hard to come up with a reason why the wolves would have known about ICB jailing Ozymandias on night 5.

No it isn't: if Smirker claimed to Seer me on a night when I was jailed, then ICB could expose him as a lying Wolf. So if the Wolves do have a crappy Seer, why not use it to target me?

Ionitor wrote:Which means that Smirker is a human seer, which implicates Ozy as the handsome devil. This backs my earlier gut feel. Ever since I got a human read on him on day 2, that's been absent on every day after that. His votes are too focused on small aspects of the record, instead of the usual Ozy-gestalt.

That's because the only confirmed Wolf involved in a close lynch vote was dferrantino on Day 4, against me. So naturally I'm going to focus on my Day 4 bandwagon-- there's not much else to go on yet.
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Re: Day 7: The Shocking Truth about twdog

Postby Ozymandias » 10 Sep 2013, 06:07:43

Ionitor wrote:I suspected I was targeted by the power blocker -- I'm guessing/hoping that ICB won't protect me, at least. Which implies that they are worried about me finding the two fixed points, and I suspect Ravebomb may be one of them.

Ionitor, here's my question for you:

If I were the Handsome Devil, why would the Wolves power block you instead of Smirker?

Because Smirker targeted me yesterday, and was clearly very likely to do so again. So why let him?

Better yet-- why not Power Block ME, so that Smirker seered me as a "Wolf"?

Wouldn't either of those options make more sense than blocking you?

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Re: Day 7: The Shocking Truth about twdog

Postby RaveBomb » 10 Sep 2013, 06:52:47

leiden wrote:I believe today is obvious.

Ravebomb


I'll take Bad Seering for $1000

Still wrong. So very wrong. So wrong that this could tip the game in the wolves favor.

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Re: Day 7: The Shocking Truth about twdog

Postby sphenodont » 10 Sep 2013, 07:27:15

I wanted to go visit Ionitor last night... but Nocchi wouldn't let me.

That's because the packet said he was a contestant! Totally beneath us!

I don't think anyone is beneath you, when it comes to being beneath you, Nocchi.

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Re: Day 7: The Shocking Truth about twdog

Postby leiden » 10 Sep 2013, 07:35:09

RaveBomb wrote:
leiden wrote:I believe today is obvious.

Ravebomb


I'll take Bad Seering for $1000

Who is leiden


My seers have been pretty accurate thus far.

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Re: Day 7: The Shocking Truth about twdog

Postby Aldax » 10 Sep 2013, 07:38:57

Last night I didn't get a dossier, hmmmmm this is getting suspicious :flail:

Also why is Ravebomb still alive?
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Re: Day 7: The Shocking Truth about twdog

Postby RaveBomb » 10 Sep 2013, 07:42:10

Yes, but I'm telling you, all but screaming at you that I'm NOT A NORMAL CONTESTANT.

No I can NOT prove my self ... yet.

I am NOT A WOLF. If you decide to lynch me, then that's to the WOLVES BENEFIT.
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Re: Day 7: The Shocking Truth about twdog

Postby Ozymandias » 10 Sep 2013, 07:46:30

Current Vote Tally

Ozymandias - 3 - Day 6 Prize, Smirker, Okaros, Rictus, Ionitor
RaveBomb - 2 - leiden, Aldax
Smirker - 1 - Ozymandias
Okaros - 1 - Day 6 Prize, Nitestorm, San
San - 0 - Day 6 Prize, Admetus
leiden - 0 - Day 6 Prize, Ravebomb

EDIT: Missed San's vote.
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Re: Day 7: The Shocking Truth about twdog

Postby Nitestorm » 10 Sep 2013, 07:53:45

RaveBomb wrote:Yes, but I'm telling you, all but screaming at you that I'm NOT A NORMAL CONTESTANT.

No I can NOT prove my self ... yet.

I am NOT A WOLF. If you decide to lynch me, then that's to the WOLVES BENEFIT.


But since you are a wolf, then don't the wolves benefit if we don't lynch you anyways? My flawless logic is amazing isn't it? :flail: :flail: :flail: :flail: :flail:

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Re: Day 7: The Shocking Truth about twdog

Postby Ozymandias » 10 Sep 2013, 07:54:47

Ionitor wrote:This may have already been answered, but can the power blocker block the "power" of the cosmic joke? The handsome devil?

From the rules thread ...

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Admetus wrote:I feel like this might have been answered before, but I don't see it in the thread. Do blocking powers like the Jailer and Power Blocker stop the Cosmic Joke or Handsome Devil from overriding seers? From the rule text, it seems like the answer would be "yes both do." The Jailer prevents any results from coming back to a seer, so they won't get their static answer, and the Power Blocker would suppress CJ and HD, making them return as if they were an ordinary human or wolf. Is this right?

Yes, they both cancel out the CJ and HD returning the results you mentioned. They will both show up as specials to the Role Seer if the Role-Blocker hits them the same night as the Role Seer.

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Re: Day 7: The Shocking Truth about twdog

Postby Nitestorm » 10 Sep 2013, 07:56:09

Ozymandias wrote:Current Vote Tally

Ozymandias - 3 - Day 6 Prize, Smirker, Okaros, Rictus, Ionitor
RaveBomb - 2 - leiden, Aldax
Smirker - 1 - Ozymandias
Okaros - 0 - Day 6 Prize, Nitestorm
San - 0 - Day 6 Prize, Admetus
leiden - 0 - Day 6 Prize, Ravebomb


Do my eyes deceive me? Are we finally going to lynch the wolf Ozymandias? :flail:

Maybe its time to jump on the bandwagon. :mrgreen:

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Re: Day 7: The Shocking Truth about twdog

Postby Ionitor » 10 Sep 2013, 07:56:21

I still see no evidence that Ravebomb is not the cosmic joke. Unfortunately, I can't verify that myself anymore. sphenodont would have been ideal, but if the power blocker can temporarily make him not the joke (if that's what he is), it's more difficult tomorrow -- we could do it, but it would take several seers.

Pre-edit: Thanks, Ozy. I'm still considering whether I believe anything you've said, though. :P

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Re: Day 7: The Shocking Truth about twdog

Postby RaveBomb » 10 Sep 2013, 07:58:13

I'll take The Truth for $400

Who is the Cosmic Joke?

RaveBomb. NOBODY has correctly seered me.


But since you are a wolf, then don't the wolves benefit if we don't lynch you anyways? My flawless logic is amazing isn't it?


Incorrect starting assumption. What if, just what if, I'm telling the truth and I'm not a wolf? Then by lynching me the wolves get that much closer to parity and the humans waste more time flailing around.
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Re: Day 7: The Shocking Truth about twdog

Postby Rictus » 10 Sep 2013, 08:01:13

Are we sure we're not playing an "every wolf is special" variant? :flail:

We've had argumentative-wolf, super-villain-wolf (you know, the one that can't help but tell you his entire plan as he holds a gun on you), and now extra-helpful-wolf. :D
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Re: Day 7: The Shocking Truth about twdog

Postby RaveBomb » 10 Sep 2013, 08:17:22

I've seen a variant with a "teen-wolf" They have to claim they're a wolf every day.
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Re: Day 7: The Shocking Truth about twdog

Postby Iron Clad Burrito » 10 Sep 2013, 08:51:56

Ozymandias wrote:
Ionitor wrote:Ozy, why would the wolves seer you on day 5, when it was quite clear that you weren't a seer?

Because if Smirker claimed to Seer me on a night when I was jailed, then ICB could expose him as a lying Wolf.


...because the wolves knew who I was going to jail...?

I don't follow this line. If you can break it down to a level that you think I can follow...? Please, speak slowly and use very small words... you know why you thought it was hilarious that you suspected I was the cosmic joke, you know. I'm not likely to understand otherwise.

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Re: Day 7: The Shocking Truth about twdog

Postby Ozymandias » 10 Sep 2013, 09:21:45

Iron Clad Burrito wrote:
Ozymandias wrote:
Ionitor wrote:Ozy, why would the wolves seer you on day 5, when it was quite clear that you weren't a seer?

Because if Smirker claimed to Seer me on a night when I was jailed, then ICB could expose him as a lying Wolf.

...because the wolves knew who I was going to jail...?

I don't follow this line. If you can break it down to a level that you think I can follow...? Please, speak slowly and use very small words... you know why you thought it was hilarious that you suspected I was the cosmic joke, you know. I'm not likely to understand otherwise.

Here's my theory:

(1) The Wolves actually do have a crappy Seer (e.g., Paranoid/Seer/Naive-- doesn't matter which), who is useless with respect to Seer hunting.
(2) So this crappy Wolf Seer (which may or may not be Smirker himself) targeted me, in order to make sure that Smirker could in fact have received a vision of me on the same night.
(3) Otherwise, if Smirker claimed to seer me as a "Contestant" on Night 5, then you could have exposed him as a lying Wolf just like you did twdog.

Does that make sense?

Iron Clad Burrito wrote:you know why you thought it was hilarious that you suspected I was the cosmic joke, you know.

I assume you're referring to this ...

Ozymandias wrote:Actually, claimed seers have seered ICB more often as a Wolf (three times, to Rave's two)-- and have NEVER claimed to not Seer ICB as one.

So I think ICB is the more likely Cosmic Joke?

Which, personally anyway, seems a little more appropriate and much more amusing :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

... which though it may have seemed like a dig, was actually my attempt to throw the Wolves off your scent.

Because once you admitted to lying about being a Seer, I realized you couldn't possibly be a vanilla Contestant OR the Cosmic Joke, since only a Human Special who knew they were special would know that they had been power blocked on Night 2.

And given how interested you seemed to be in who Furin targeted on Night 4 when he claimed to be blocked, I actually had already guessed that you were the Jailer.

That's why I was trying to make a case for you as the harmless Cosmic Joke.

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Re: Day 7: The Shocking Truth about twdog

Postby Iron Clad Burrito » 10 Sep 2013, 09:39:48

Ozymandias wrote:(1) The Wolves actually do have a crappy Seer (e.g., Paranoid/Seer/Naive-- doesn't matter which), who is useless with respect to Seer hunting.
(2) So this crappy Wolf Seer (which may or may not be Smirker himself) targeted me, in order to make sure that Smirker could in fact have received a vision of me on the same night.
(3) Otherwise, if Smirker claimed to seer me as a "Contestant" on Night 5, then you could have exposed him as a lying Wolf just like you did twdog.

Does that make sense?


An elaborate setup perpetuated by a wolf seer, real or fake, after we'd already exposed the fake one?

And giving the wolves a 2nd seer, real or crappy? Would necklessone be so dastardly?

Insert Ozy's still alive on day 7 argument, after the wolves had one definite (day 3) and one most damned likely (day 6) chance to take you out freely.

I'm afraid you might have been the handsome devil all along. And if so, well-played...

Not voting yet.

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Re: Day 7: The Shocking Truth about twdog

Postby Ozymandias » 10 Sep 2013, 09:59:53

Iron Clad Burrito wrote:An elaborate setup perpetuated by a wolf seer, real or fake, after we'd already exposed the fake one?

Actually, this all would have begun on Night 5, BEFORE you exposed twdog on Day 6.

My guess is that my leading the charge against Smirker on Day 5 is what prompted the Wolves to decide to "burn" Smirker to take me out via lynch, but you jailing me delayed those plans until today.

Iron Clad Burrito wrote:And giving the wolves a 2nd seer, real or crappy? Would necklessone be so dastardly?

There are four confirmed dead Human Seers: Hellheart, simon, stigmata, and Mister Furin.

There are also eight players who I think are claiming Seer status: Aldax, Ionitor, leiden, Rictus, San (?), Smirker, spheno, Visigoth.

If there are actually TWELVE Seers in the game, do you really think the Wolves would only have one of them?

Iron Clad Burrito wrote:Insert Ozy's still alive on day 7 argument, after the wolves had one definite (day 3) and one most damned likely (day 6) chance to take you out freely.

Night 6 they took out a Seer (Furin) who had already seered a Wolf (twdog) as a "Wolf," so clearly he was the biggest threat.

Night 3 they took out DOM instead of me-- which, again, is not at all surprising given that dferrantino was a Wolf. Also, if a useful Wolf Seer seered me as a Contestant instead of a Seer, then they would have even more reason to maul DOM that night.
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Re: Day 7: The Shocking Truth about twdog

Postby RaveBomb » 10 Sep 2013, 10:10:54

I've been doing some thinking. Ozy I'm starting to have the feel that you're the clever wolf directing our discussion.
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