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Chatting amongst the Exiled

Postby Okaros » 04 Dec 2016, 13:27:45

You're dead, or at least kicked out of Earth's dimension. Sit back and enjoy the show!
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Re: Chatting amongst the Exiled

Postby Okaros » 06 Dec 2016, 20:17:33

Welcome spheno and DOM!
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Re: Chatting amongst the Exiled

Postby DastardlyOldMan » 07 Dec 2016, 07:47:16

Now for the heckling and hammering from the sidelines!

Interesting:
Admetus wrote:And with me and the wolf's chosen maul on one of the humans, it's almost like they're painting a target for witch hunting.


Visigoth : 4 : Dastardly Old Man, Gungnir888, sphenodont, Admetus

Everyone on that row is green except for Gungnir888 - and Admetus is bypassing Occam's Razor and going for "it's a setup". I admire his paranoia :)

Not sure how I the public seer is going to balance out with things, although dfer's got the right read in that there are only going to be, effectively, two seerings before the game's over (if that). That said, Admetus could still seer on illusion days, the results just have to be ~tempered.

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Re: Chatting amongst the Exiled

Postby Okaros » 07 Dec 2016, 08:00:26

DastardlyOldMan wrote:Not sure how I the public seer is going to balance out with things, although dfer's got the right read in that there are only going to be, effectively, two seerings before the game's over (if that). That said, Admetus could still seer on illusion days, the results just have to be ~tempered.


Something that Admetus overlooked (and that I've warned him about in PMs) is that the target of a Seering doesn't have to be public. The idea is that seering someone shouldn't necessarily lead to their immediate mauling. It's also a deliberate mirror of the Wolf spells: Two of Star's spells are fully overt/public (Vig/Jail) and one (Seering) is secret-ish; For the wolves there are two secret-ish powers (Bless/Curse and Illusion) and one overt/public (Buff).


Which reminds me, I should probably let you dead folks know who Marco is:
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Re: Chatting amongst the Exiled

Postby Okaros » 07 Dec 2016, 14:07:59

Balance for this game was/is tricky and I'm still not sure I got it right. We'll see how it plays out, though I'm cautiously optimistic atm.

I specifically wanted something with low seer presence (hence having a way to either poison or delay seerings in the wolf toolkit), and I gave the wolves significant mindgame-y powers to compensate for the Humans starting with a 2-person human alliance. Lots of choice-driven elements involved, which I'm liking a lot.

I'm also curious to see if it occurs to the wolves that they can opt to *not* cast a spell the night Admetus jails someone. The lack of a spell message will be the same whether it's deliberately done or the result of Ludo getting jailed, so... (I specifically called out and highlighted the fact that Ludo's spells are optional and Star's are mandatory for this reason.)
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Re: Chatting amongst the Exiled

Postby Okaros » 07 Dec 2016, 19:54:58

If rekard fails to lodge a legit vote today, I'm going to give him a penalty vote and state that if he was Ludo a random eligible spell was submitted on his behalf with a random target.
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Re: Chatting amongst the Exiled

Postby Okaros » 07 Dec 2016, 20:00:45

Rictus loses the coinflip and gets lynched. That means his maul vote is invalid and Visi gets mauled as a result. San gets cursed.
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Re: Chatting amongst the Exiled

Postby Okaros » 08 Dec 2016, 09:50:04

Oh good, dferr's picked up on the potential chaos that could be caused by skipping a spell at the same time a jail happens (and also the potential drawbacks).
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Re: Chatting amongst the Exiled

Postby Okaros » 08 Dec 2016, 12:45:57

Gungnir888 wrote:Rekard has been acting decidedly un-rekardly this game.

I'm leaning more towards FCM, but if we wind up with a tie vote, we lose that roll.

#Vote for: jrs


:facepalm:

This is literally a textbook wolf-post. :lol:
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Re: Chatting amongst the Exiled

Postby Okaros » 08 Dec 2016, 13:39:15

Wondering if maybe I should've done the random-spell-random-target thing for jailing Ludo for balancing purposes, but the original concept was deliberate, i.e. I wanted the humans to have a semi-reliable way to hunt for Ludo if they wanted to, and for Ludo to have a way to abuse it. I'd love feedback on this (and balance in general for this setup) once the game is over, as I wasn't entirely sure how much power an alpha-human would actually grant in a game like this.
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Re: Chatting amongst the Exiled

Postby 7-zark-7 » 08 Dec 2016, 17:06:00

Okaros wrote:
Gungnir888 wrote:Rekard has been acting decidedly un-rekardly this game.

I'm leaning more towards FCM, but if we wind up with a tie vote, we lose that roll.

#Vote for: jrs


:facepalm:

This is literally a textbook wolf-post. :lol:


so he's been studying - that's nice

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Re: Chatting amongst the Exiled

Postby Okaros » 08 Dec 2016, 20:04:52

Welcome rekard and RaveBomb!
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Re: Chatting amongst the Exiled

Postby rekard » 08 Dec 2016, 21:01:32

Geez Ryvvn. Again with last minute vote shenanigans that don't work. I mean, what is with this bringing up a target at the last minute all of a sudden? It only helps make people go into thinking of possibilities of "what if...." with almost no reasoning.

So I can't do work or go out or take a nap or do anything at night when we play? It seems to happen everytime something comes up for me and I can't be fully invested in the game for a couple days.

I will say that I was the only one that called out Gungnir here.
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Re: Chatting amongst the Exiled

Postby Okaros » 09 Dec 2016, 11:53:02

PM from Ryvvn:

Ryvvn wrote:I was about to post this in the rules thread, but was worried the wording would cause people to think I'm just trying to meta-prove my humanity.

Okaros wrote:Nobody's asked, but I felt I should clarify:

The GM says this:


Killing Marco and/or Star is not required for a wolf victory. The Wolves simply need parity.

Did the wolves already know this?

If they didn't then this information really only benefits them, so would you also be willing to tell us how many wolves were in play to start?



My reply:
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Ryvvn wrote:Did the wolves already know this?


I can't speak to what they do or don't know. As I said, nobody has asked about it.

If they didn't then this information really only benefits them, so would you also be willing to tell us how many wolves were in play to start?


You will get a lynch-or-lose warning at the appropriate time.

If you would like to further discuss the appropriateness of my clarification please wait until you are no longer an active player in the game, either due to death or game ending.





For future-Ryvvn:
Since I had never explicitly stated how Marco and Star interact with the Wolf end-game, I felt it was appropriate to provide clarification to everyone to avoid confusion. I did so today, and in public, because I specifically wanted to avoid impacting/prompting one side or other while they were staring down a lynch-or-lose barrel.

This should be useful information for both the Wolves and Humans:
For the Wolves it impacts their target selection with the Maul and eliminates their need to worry about Star/Marco forcing the game to continue past parity.
For the Humans it impacts the risk/reward evaluation of vig shots and eliminates any need to waste time thinking about/planning for post-parity play.
And, in the general sense, I feel it appropriate and fair in this game that everyone knows and understands what the victory condition is and that one side not receive clarifications that the other doesn't. This is an open-rules game, after all.
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Re: Chatting amongst the Exiled

Postby Okaros » 09 Dec 2016, 12:43:08

Welcome jrs!
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Re: Chatting amongst the Exiled

Postby Okaros » 09 Dec 2016, 12:48:27

And here I was worried that I might've made it too easy for the Humans. :oops:
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Re: Chatting amongst the Exiled

Postby Jrsthethird » 09 Dec 2016, 12:50:58

Okaros wrote:Welcome jrs!


Uh, thanks. I didn't ask to be here!

Gungnir was on my short list, even if I didn't call him out. Couldn't really verbalize why he was wolf yet. Maybe it was the votes the day he was jailed.

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Re: Chatting amongst the Exiled

Postby Jrsthethird » 09 Dec 2016, 13:47:57

Looks like we're through. Thanks for the game, Okaros!

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Re: Chatting amongst the Exiled

Postby Okaros » 09 Dec 2016, 13:51:26

The Fairy Catmother wrote:...but dfer is making a LOT of sense.

dferr making a lot of sense should be one of those instinctive wolf-game warning signs.
"DANGER AHEAD! TURN BACK NOW!"

RaveBomb making a lot of sense is how you know you're past the point of no return and that death is the only escape.
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Re: Chatting amongst the Exiled

Postby Rictus » 09 Dec 2016, 13:55:11

Okaros, From my point of view as a wolf, I assumed that the win condition was to kill Star. Then when I realized I didn't actually know for sure I went looking for clarification and you didn't have any win condition listed.

So it was a good clarification, one I would have asked about if I would have lived
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Re: Chatting amongst the Exiled

Postby Okaros » 09 Dec 2016, 13:58:34

I considered making that the win condition but ultimately discarded it as being too out of human control. One lucky Night One maul and the game is over at the start of Day Three. :)
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Re: Chatting amongst the Exiled

Postby RaveBomb » 09 Dec 2016, 13:59:23

RaveBomb making a lot of sense is how you know you're past the point of no return and that death is the only escape.

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Re: Chatting amongst the Exiled

Postby Okaros » 09 Dec 2016, 18:44:24

Mmm, a suspenseful end of day (game?) approaches. Delightful!
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Re: Chatting amongst the Exiled

Postby Okaros » 09 Dec 2016, 19:49:04

Gungnir is, unfortunately, overlooking the fact that Admetus can seer tomorrow and therefore will solve the final dilemma immediately. The correct play here from the wolves is to force the coinflip by moving to FCM at the last minute,.
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Re: Chatting amongst the Exiled

Postby Okaros » 09 Dec 2016, 20:25:01

Welcome dferr and San. So close!
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Re: Chatting amongst the Exiled

Postby Okaros » 09 Dec 2016, 20:27:34

Was it cruel to feint at the end of the game like that in the opening writeup?


I hope so. :twisted:
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Re: Chatting amongst the Exiled

Postby dferrantino » 09 Dec 2016, 20:28:39

Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck gdi what happened

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Re: Chatting amongst the Exiled

Postby dferrantino » 09 Dec 2016, 20:29:01

Everything was great before I went out

E: out being before I went out drinking, not out dead. Not blaming anyone for this.
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Re: Chatting amongst the Exiled

Postby dferrantino » 09 Dec 2016, 20:30:34

All of the possible expletives go here. Gungnir i hope you win this but I think we're fucked now.

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Re: Chatting amongst the Exiled

Postby dferrantino » 09 Dec 2016, 20:34:17

Can I scream in here?

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Re: Chatting amongst the Exiled

Postby dferrantino » 09 Dec 2016, 20:34:51

Screeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeam

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Re: Chatting amongst the Exiled

Postby Okaros » 09 Dec 2016, 20:35:03

dferrantino wrote:Can I scream in here?


Sure, as long as you express yourself through ponies.
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Re: Chatting amongst the Exiled

Postby dferrantino » 09 Dec 2016, 20:35:32

:x

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Re: Chatting amongst the Exiled

Postby dferrantino » 09 Dec 2016, 20:35:49

Okaros wrote:
dferrantino wrote:Can I scream in here?


Sure, as long as you express yourself through ponies.

B&

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Re: Chatting amongst the Exiled

Postby Okaros » 09 Dec 2016, 20:36:14

dferrantino wrote::x


Look, I don't make the rules, I just...

Oh wait, I do make the rules. :twisted:
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Re: Chatting amongst the Exiled

Postby dferrantino » 09 Dec 2016, 20:42:23

Okaros wrote:
dferrantino wrote::x


Look, I don't make the rules, I just...

Oh wait, I do make the rules. :twisted:

I eat your rules.

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Re: Chatting amongst the Exiled

Postby dferrantino » 09 Dec 2016, 20:43:13

Or, at least, I did up until like...3 hours ago. What the fuck happened

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Re: Chatting amongst the Exiled

Postby dferrantino » 09 Dec 2016, 20:43:31

Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck

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Re: Chatting amongst the Exiled

Postby Jrsthethird » 09 Dec 2016, 20:55:22

Good game dfer!

Looks like with that last post by Admetus, it's a human victory. I really didn't expect this!

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Re: Chatting amongst the Exiled

Postby dferrantino » 09 Dec 2016, 20:56:13

Can I smash my toys? I feel like that's the appropriate response.

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Re: Chatting amongst the Exiled

Postby dferrantino » 09 Dec 2016, 20:57:46

Ugh I'm sure i fucked up somewhere, need to reread when I'm sober. Really sad :(

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Re: Chatting amongst the Exiled

Postby dferrantino » 09 Dec 2016, 20:59:24

:( :( :( :( :(

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Re: Chatting amongst the Exiled

Postby Okaros » 09 Dec 2016, 20:59:52

Time to figure out how I'd like to write the ending. Hmmm.
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Re: Chatting amongst the Exiled

Postby Admetus » 09 Dec 2016, 22:26:18

dferrantino wrote:Everything was great before I went out

E: out being before I went out drinking, not out dead. Not blaming anyone for this.

Sorry! What happened is that although I couldn't get enough time to make any kind of post, I was second guessing myself the whole night. I'd gotten wolf signals from both of you and Ryvvn, but when I checked out I had decided it made more sense for Ryvvn to be a helpful wolf.

But the second guessing got worse as Gungnir swapped to Ryvvn and then didn't participate while Ryvvn and FCM continued to wrestle with Lynch or lose.

For the record it had nothing to do with any human claim from Ryvvn. I don't really count that for much and it didn't even come with unambiguous language this time, like I might have expected.

Fortunately people were around near deadline to swap with me!

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Re: Chatting amongst the Exiled

Postby The Fairy Catmother » 10 Dec 2016, 14:26:49

For me the turning point was 100% Ryvvn's post when he mistook me for Admetus. His post didn't make any sense, because he said that I already knew who Marco was. At first I thought he was trying to insinuate that I was a wolf, but then I realized that even if I was a wolf, I wouldn't know who Marco was.
So his post would've only made sense if he was talking to Admetus.
Then he admitted that he did think he was talking to Admetus, so he could only be human, or a wolf playing a very clever game.
I knew dfer and Ryvvn couldn't be on the same team, so dfer had to be Ludo.

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Re: Chatting amongst the Exiled

Postby The Fairy Catmother » 10 Dec 2016, 14:30:14

dferrantino wrote:Ugh I'm sure i fucked up somewhere, need to reread when I'm sober. Really sad :(


Nah, you didn't fuck up. You had me completely fooled! (That won't happen again :shake:)

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Re: Chatting amongst the Exiled

Postby dferrantino » 10 Dec 2016, 17:51:49

The Fairy Catmother wrote:For me the turning point was 100% Ryvvn's post when he mistook me for Admetus. His post didn't make any sense, because he said that I already knew who Marco was. At first I thought he was trying to insinuate that I was a wolf, but then I realized that even if I was a wolf, I wouldn't know who Marco was.
So his post would've only made sense if he was talking to Admetus.
Then he admitted that he did think he was talking to Admetus, so he could only be human, or a wolf playing a very clever game.
I knew dfer and Ryvvn couldn't be on the same team, so dfer had to be Ludo.

To be fair, I kept getting the two of you confused as well, and every time I would write something about Admetus this game I kept using feminine pronouns and had to correct myself.

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Re: Chatting amongst the Exiled

Postby rekard » 11 Dec 2016, 00:35:25

The Fairy Catmother wrote:
dferrantino wrote:Ugh I'm sure i fucked up somewhere, need to reread when I'm sober. Really sad :(


Nah, you didn't fuck up. You had me completely fooled! (That won't happen again :shake:)


It will.

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Re: Chatting amongst the Exiled

Postby dferrantino » 12 Dec 2016, 12:26:24

Admetus wrote:
dferrantino wrote:Everything was great before I went out

E: out being before I went out drinking, not out dead. Not blaming anyone for this.

Sorry! What happened is that although I couldn't get enough time to make any kind of post, I was second guessing myself the whole night. I'd gotten wolf signals from both of you and Ryvvn, but when I checked out I had decided it made more sense for Ryvvn to be a helpful wolf.

But the second guessing got worse as Gungnir swapped to Ryvvn and then didn't participate while Ryvvn and FCM continued to wrestle with Lynch or lose.

For the record it had nothing to do with any human claim from Ryvvn. I don't really count that for much and it didn't even come with unambiguous language this time, like I might have expected.

Fortunately people were around near deadline to swap with me!

Now that I've finally gotten the opportunity to read through everything sober, it looks like it was mostly unavoidable. It's frustrating that something as meta as Ryvvn not paying attention to who he was responding to (particularly since I had to delete/rewrite multiple posts over the course of the game because I made the same mistake) is what ended up convincing FCM, but c'est la vie. I'm curious what convinced you to vote for me, though, when Ryvvn was already leading. Was it simply because Gungnir stayed out of the conversation after his "No, just no" post, and you didn't feel comfortable following him?

Because I'll totally take back my "wasn't your fault" post over in the main board if that's the case :lol:

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Re: Chatting amongst the Exiled

Postby Admetus » 12 Dec 2016, 12:42:00

dferrantino wrote:Was it simply because Gungnir stayed out of the conversation after his "No, just no" post, and you didn't feel comfortable following him?

Basically, yes. I know people aren't all going to stick it out all the way to deadline, especially on a Friday night. But that move reeeeeally smelled like a wolf being glad he'd been able to smoothly transition to the intended target. And Scene! That's a wrap, we're done here. On top of that, Ryvvn and FCM's struggling sounded very human.

Likewise, you were gone once you'd gotten what you wanted. Like I said, people are going to post and leave sometimes. But when it starts to look like everyone with one agenda checks out and everyone without a specific person to push is still struggling, that paints a different picture. Usually at least one of the humans will poke in to comment on what's going on, even if they don't change their minds.


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