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Night 2

Postby Omega » 08 Oct 2013, 22:55:54

Well, that didn't work out so well.

You do not have a night kill tonight.

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Re: Night 2

Postby Wasabi » 08 Oct 2013, 23:02:46

Honestly, it could have gone worse. I'm curious at what might have derailed our maul, but it really could be just about anything.
It looks like Ozy is not federation, since the vote total on him doesn't seem to have any manipulation applied. Of course, maybe the manipulation doesn't reflect in the final tally?

So, Omega: Is there supposed to be some kind of win condition?

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Re: Night 2

Postby Omega » 08 Oct 2013, 23:04:27

Rules post to come tomorrow.

[OOC: I had to travel unexpectedly for business yesterday and today which threw a few things off, including the full rules, which are on my computer at work.]

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Re: Night 2

Postby Admetus » 08 Oct 2013, 23:09:53

Well, hey, it could have been worse. Lots of room to speculate about what went wrong with our maul... it could even be defective in general.

I will straight up say I didn't defend him, not deliberately, anyways.

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Re: Night 2

Postby Clearasday » 09 Oct 2013, 03:00:24

This is me signing in, apologies, I'll read through the threads and then post everything here in a few minutes.
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Re: Night 2

Postby FurinMirado » 09 Oct 2013, 06:33:32

1. I can't get into the "Chancellor K'mpec" account as it apparently does not exist :flail:

2. Ravebomb showed up as "Unaligned" which answers the question as to whether we had anyone like that.

A likely set-up could be:
24 players, 4 Teams of 5 each, 4 Unaligned

3. Determining who is not on a team together based on votes that put people in danger is going to be tricky now. Thanks a lot Q! :x
Calling for multiple bandwagons will probably just result in people voting for me as an alternate bandwagon. I'll play it by ear today and start a thread with my analysis so far.

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Re: Night 2

Postby FurinMirado » 09 Oct 2013, 07:02:14

It looks like I can't create a thread, so I'll dump the info here.

=X= - not on a team with

San =X= Meta4, Stigmata, MEM, AVS
Meta4 =X= San, Rave
Stigmata =X= San, AVS, Hellheart
rekard =X= Okaros, DOM
Okaros =X= rekard, Ryvvn
dferrantino =X= Ozy
Ozy =X= dferr
MEM =X= San
DOM =X= Hellheart, rekard
Hellheart =X= DOM, Stigmata
AVS =X= Stigmata, San
Ryvvn =X= Okaros

Klingons
Admetus
Clearasday
FurinMirado
Griffypoo
Wasabi

Unaligned
Ravebomb

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Re: Night 2

Postby Admetus » 09 Oct 2013, 07:52:13

We were split 2/2 in deciding whom to maul. Perhaps that's why it didn't go off?

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Re: Night 2

Postby Admetus » 09 Oct 2013, 08:06:30

FurinMirado - you are considering only "dangerous" votes, I guess? Because Wasabi also voted for Ozy when there were only singletons, so I'm not sure if that's an omission or if you meant to do that?

And rekard =X= DOM comes from today? Yesterday he did a snipe vote swap, he might be planning for the same today.

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Re: Night 2

Postby FurinMirado » 09 Oct 2013, 08:12:09

Admetus wrote:FurinMirado - you are considering only "dangerous" votes, I guess? Because Wasabi also voted for Ozy when there were only singletons, so I'm not sure if that's an omission or if you meant to do that?

And rekard =X= DOM comes from today? Yesterday he did a snipe vote swap, he might be planning for the same today.

Yeah, I'm trying to track only "dangerous" votes on people we don't know about. I'm pretty sure Wasabi is Klingon, so I left him out. ;)

Yes, that comes from today. If he vote switches I'll remove it. Just like when I didn't count Ozy's first vote.

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Re: Night 2

Postby Admetus » 09 Oct 2013, 08:18:18

Bah! Wow, some day my haste to post before thinking will get me in trouble. Oh wait, it does that all the time.

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Re: Night 2

Postby FurinMirado » 09 Oct 2013, 08:25:44

Admetus wrote:We were split 2/2 in deciding whom to maul. Perhaps that's why it didn't go off?

It looks like we were 1:3 in favor of dferrantino. So the maul may just have been blocked.

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Re: Night 2

Postby Admetus » 09 Oct 2013, 08:26:28

There's that reading thing again.

Subject: Night 1

Omega wrote:dferrantino maul target, received.


Yeahhhh. I think something may be wrong with my attention span today! ;)

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Re: Night 2

Postby Omega » 09 Oct 2013, 09:04:55

FurinMirado wrote:It looks like I can't create a thread, so I'll dump the info here.

=X= - not on a team with

San =X= Meta4, Stigmata, MEM, AVS
Meta4 =X= San, Rave
Stigmata =X= San, AVS, Hellheart
rekard =X= Okaros, DOM
Okaros =X= rekard, Ryvvn
dferrantino =X= Ozy
Ozy =X= dferr
MEM =X= San
DOM =X= Hellheart, rekard
Hellheart =X= DOM, Stigmata
AVS =X= Stigmata, San
Ryvvn =X= Okaros

Klingons
Admetus
Clearasday
FurinMirado
Griffypoo
Wasabi

Unaligned
Ravebomb


Oops, sorry, unintended. I'll split this off into a new thread for you and change that permission setting.

You should now be able to create threads here. Sorry about that.

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Re: Night 2

Postby Griffypoo » 09 Oct 2013, 10:11:11

Huh, I've never been part of a Mayhem game before, didn't realize there were multiple teams and special roles for everyone, etc. until the official rules were posted. I feel a lot less stupid about my clumsy vote fix yesterday since we're not the only team in this fight.

My vote in the day thread today is just to avoid a penalty from my Li'l Brudder role.

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Re: Night 2

Postby Admetus » 09 Oct 2013, 10:24:00

Yay rules! This settles a bunch of things.

PMs from me may not be quoted, unless specifically noted otherwise.

Okay, so since he didn't say we could quote them in the private forum, we probably should (continue to) not do that. Fortunately everyone paraphrased their roles, it looks like. That reminds me -- CAD, can you put some role information in the "Klingon Faction Information" thread for us?

Your teams are guaranteed to be working towards the same goal and win condition as you at the start of the game(though they may also have personal/other agendas). (No moles, as much as I love that idea.)

My favorite pet theory was that there would be a spy from each faction to one other faction. So perhaps there'd be a Federation spy in the Klingons and a Klingon spy in the Romulans. I was waiting for a PM day to talk about that in secret. But now I can assume that's not the case, at least among the starting roles.

But there are pretty much guaranteed to be private agendas and loyalty switches / adjustments later on. I wonder if those will be used as spoiler mechanisms, that might target the teams furthest ahead.

So starting on day 2, the four factions will nominate one member to participate in the Council.

Does this mean the Council is not yet set up? Because FurinMirado was saying he couldn't log into his. I thought they'd be in a private forum somewhere, but maybe they simply have regular Day Thread access?

If the pupeteer behind the mask dies, another player from that team will take over. Ultimately, until the faction is eradicated, they will have a voice, though perhaps, not as powerful of one.

This is nice to know.


And lastly:
In fact, a lot of this text is taken from Clearasday’s Mayhem II, with appropriate changes.

Haha, suck it other teams! We have the original master on our side!

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Re: Night 2

Postby Omega » 09 Oct 2013, 10:34:38

Admetus wrote:
So starting on day 2, the four factions will nominate one member to participate in the Council.

Does this mean the Council is not yet set up? Because FurinMirado was saying he couldn't log into his. I thought they'd be in a private forum somewhere, but maybe they simply have regular Day Thread access?


I PMed with him about that. If there are still problems, Furin, please PM me

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Re: Night 2

Postby Admetus » 09 Oct 2013, 12:12:49

9 hours to go, roughly.

Rekard - 3 - Admetus, Augenvonsauron, Ryvvn
DastardlyOldMan - 2 - Clearasday, Hellheart
Ryvvn - 2 - Okaros, rekard
Augenvonsauron - San
Admetus (invalid target) - Mister E. Meat
Visigoth - Griffypoo
Hellheart - Meta4

Yet to vote:
Blindsniper83
DastardlyOldMan
dferrantino
FurinMirado
Mister E. Meat - needs to revote
Mortus
Ozymandias
Rictus
sphenodont
stigmata
twdog
Visigoth
Wasabi


Ryvvn just posted the same in the day thread. But I've got the yet-to-vote list!


Highly likely to switch late, so I tend to ignore earlier votes:
Hellheart
rekard

Anyone else who should be on that list? I'd say Ozymandias but he hasn't put down a first vote yet. Perhaps he has a post restriction? I would guess in this case it would be that he can only make one post, or only make one vote.

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Re: Night 2

Postby Admetus » 09 Oct 2013, 12:16:36

Do you think it's possible the Ozy vote switch last night was because he wanted to hide that he was on the same team as San?

Put his vote on San, but if San was going to be a late contender, would switch? That would mean that Stigmata's defensive vote switch triggered Ozy specifically. Rekard I'm thinking is more of a target-of-opportunity kind of maneuver.

I wouldn't mind if rekard survived past this lynch vote, because he died early last game. But if he's going to be so aggressive at me in specific, I feel like he gives up his early game protection. At least when it comes to my vote.
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Re: Night 2

Postby Wasabi » 09 Oct 2013, 12:17:27

I still wouldn't put it past Ozy to switch, or vote late. Also, he posted at least twice yesterday, and switched from San to Admetus, which is interesting in itself, since I think the San-wagon still had some legs at that point.

Ah, I see we're thinking alike, since you've posted while I was typing this...

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Re: Night 2

Postby Admetus » 09 Oct 2013, 12:19:00

Wasabi wrote:I still wouldn't put it past Ozy to switch, or vote late. Also, he posted at least twice yesterday, and switched from San to Admetus, which is interesting in itself, since I think the San-wagon still had some legs at that point.

Ah, I see we're thinking alike, since you've posted while I was typing this...

Hah yeah. I meant that Ozy might have a one-vote or one-post restriction today only, since he's supposed to be in a deep sleep.

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Re: Night 2

Postby Admetus » 09 Oct 2013, 12:22:41

More idle speculation:

Omega Day 2 OP wrote:One of you will have to replace the best joke teller in the Alpha quadrant.

Does Omega mean to make someone take over the non-aligned role?

Further speculation -- Sociopaths "may have a night-kill mechanic." Is RaveBomb their kill, or is it ours, redirected from dferrantino?

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Re: Night 2

Postby Admetus » 09 Oct 2013, 13:24:53

7.5 or so hours to go.

Rekard - 3 - Admetus, Augenvonsauron, Ryvvn
DastardlyOldMan - 2 - Clearasday, Hellheart
Ryvvn - 2 - Okaros, rekard
Augenvonsauron - San
Visigoth - Griffypoo
Hellheart - Meta4
Wasabi - Mister E. Meat

Yet to vote (12):
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DastardlyOldMan
dferrantino
FurinMirado
Mortus
Ozymandias
Rictus
sphenodont
stigmata
twdog
Visigoth
Wasabi

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Re: Night 2

Postby Clearasday » 09 Oct 2013, 13:56:40

I've added my info to the other thread. I sadly didn't get to look for tribbles yesterday as I wasn't around at all, but I shall hunt tonight and likely on rekard.
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Re: Night 2

Postby Clearasday » 09 Oct 2013, 13:58:51

Also I'm roleplaying Rimmer with an eye to eventually roleplaying these two people if the situation goes downhill or uphill enough.

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Just in case any of you far away americanos wanted to know what random tangent I was heading towards.
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Re: Night 2

Postby Admetus » 09 Oct 2013, 14:04:23

Nice, thanks. Yeah I'm sure as you've checked in on Tribbles and Klingons that you've seen they're generally opposed to each other. Tribbles make humans (and many similar species) feel at ease and relaxed, but their cooing causes the opposite reaction in Klingons, who are put on edge. Tribbles also often become agitated in the presence of Klingons, screeching instead of cooing.

In the first episode with them, Tribbles are instrumental in foiling a Klingon pot to poison a Federation food supply. http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/The_Trouble_with_Tribbles_%28episode%29

Wasabi's picture is probably from that episode.

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Re: Night 2

Postby Clearasday » 09 Oct 2013, 14:12:46

Then I shall check Wasabi tonight.

We are apparently a very reactive team according to our powers, unless anyone is lying. Most of us only do something when acted against. This could work very well in the long term if we eventually let the other teams know what our powers are. Certainly Wasabi and Furins can be used as a deterent, and if we use them sneakily and make Admetus or I claim then (in endgame obviously) we could be even more devious. I wonder what powers the other teams got then.
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Re: Night 2

Postby Admetus » 09 Oct 2013, 14:16:58

As I have briefly forgotten already once today, Wasabi is on our team. Omega says we can assume all of our teammates start off without moles, so you probably won't get anything from searching him. However, if the tribble is a thing that might move from one person to another -- the way you phrased the role, maybe it does? -- he might be a person who ends up with one.

Another concern -- tribbles might multiply. Perhaps one person starts with a tribble, but every night he has an extra to give out to another person.

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Re: Night 2

Postby Wasabi » 09 Oct 2013, 14:36:03

I have no objection to being investigated. To the best of my knowledge, I'm not harboring a tribble (and I selected the avatar before roles were assigned)... but I can certainly appreciate the irony of a tribble hidden amongst klingons. I'd also prefer to get any concerns about me out of the way.

I'd say the second most likely, if there is any avatar-based poetic justice in Q's universe, is that Mortus is (or has) the tribble.

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Re: Night 2

Postby Admetus » 09 Oct 2013, 14:37:32

Wasabi, you seem to be gathering admirers in the main thread. I thought we were going to get through the evening without a worry, but now I'm not so sure.

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Re: Night 2

Postby Admetus » 09 Oct 2013, 14:41:01

Oh. It seems we're all male characters here, so I should be able to protect people in our group without worrying that I'm blocking our powers. I probably won't bother protecting FurinMirado since he's immune to night kills.

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Re: Night 2

Postby FurinMirado » 09 Oct 2013, 14:42:19

Clearasday wrote:
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Smoke me a kipper, I'll be back by morning.

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Re: Night 2

Postby FurinMirado » 09 Oct 2013, 14:44:16

No news from the Council. Any messages you all wish me to send along?


And I'm going to stop trying to do vote analysis in real-time as there is bound to be a lot of vote-swapping. I'll post something new tomorrow.

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Re: Night 2

Postby Admetus » 09 Oct 2013, 14:53:43

Describe the council a bit? Is it a private forum? Is the Chancellor allowed to post in the Day thread?

I'm guessing the rule about not copying from private forums is mainly aimed at avoiding mass copying from that forum.

Are there any speculations about the role of the Council later? I'm thinking they must be expected to vote on proposals later, maybe even with a separate lynch perhaps once or twice.

Any masks not reporting in yet?

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Re: Night 2

Postby Clearasday » 09 Oct 2013, 15:02:58

announce something crazy. stir shit up. Tell them you'll work with the first person to help you slay all the federation. Or announce that you'll trade information for a mole in their teams ranks for information on the one in yours. Something like that.

As to Wasabi, I confess to having forgotten for a sec that you're on my team, so of course I won't be investigating you. My bad mate. I'll go for rekard again :P
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Re: Night 2

Postby FurinMirado » 09 Oct 2013, 15:14:21

Admetus wrote:Describe the council a bit? Is it a private forum? Is the Chancellor allowed to post in the Day thread?

I'm guessing the rule about not copying from private forums is mainly aimed at avoiding mass copying from that forum.

Are there any speculations about the role of the Council later? I'm thinking they must be expected to vote on proposals later, maybe even with a separate lynch perhaps once or twice.

Any masks not reporting in yet?

It is a private forum and I'm not allowed to quote from it. I don't see anything in the rules that says a mask account can't post in the Day thread and vote. Chancellor K'mpec might want to vote for Wasabi. :lol: Omega? Care to weigh in?

I also wonder how the Council will grow in power. A secondary lynch does seem likely, given the Sociopaths.

All Council members have spoken. I'm thinking that the Council may be a good way to pass along Seer information. Once we get CAD's result we may have a bargaining chip.

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Re: Night 2

Postby Wasabi » 09 Oct 2013, 15:19:00

Well, I guess I can hope that Ryvvn is Federation, and that my vote will count extra against him.

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Re: Night 2

Postby Admetus » 09 Oct 2013, 15:25:45

5.5 or so hours to go.

Ryvvn - 4 - Okaros, rekard, Wasabi, Mortus
Rekard - 3 - Admetus, Augenvonsauron, Ryvvn
Wasabi - 3 - Mister E. Meat, Visigoth, stigmata
DastardlyOldMan - 2 - Clearasday, Hellheart
Augenvonsauron - San
Visigoth - Griffypoo
Hellheart - Meta4

Yet to vote (12):
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DastardlyOldMan
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FurinMirado
Ozymandias
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Re: Night 2

Postby Clearasday » 09 Oct 2013, 15:34:19

Well I'd rather out myself than let a teammate die. Not that I'll out myself, but I will vote to save him. This isn't a TWG, team affiliation isn't as important unless you're the winning team that everyone is hunting.
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Re: Night 2

Postby FurinMirado » 09 Oct 2013, 15:39:29

I tempted to vote for Ryvvn and push him much further. After all, if we end with a tie then no one dies. On the other hand, I could see voting for rekard. Just can't decide.

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Re: Night 2

Postby Clearasday » 09 Oct 2013, 15:42:20

Wasabi's power is much stronger in late game than now. We don't want him to die. If we vote to save him and it STILL doesn't work, we can tell the council that Wasabi is a Klingon and whoever are the last two people to vote for him will suffer the untold wrath of the Klingons. Thats how I think we should do this. Otherwise he may well die.

Also I don't believe that if two people are tied for the lynch, neither dies. Omega will likely not allow the game to go two days with no lynch death. He'll get down to good old fashioned murdering before he lets that happen.

I'll vote to help Wasabi, and if that doesn't work, be prepared to use the council. Its in the game for this very reason likely, so we should use it. But not until it looks like he's beyond saving otherwise.
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Re: Night 2

Postby Admetus » 09 Oct 2013, 15:52:22

Agreed that ties are probably bad today. Might result in the death of everyone involved. Wasabi may be able to break a tie, since he'll probably have a vote on a lynch leader, and somewhere around 10/24 people would be affected by his power.

We had 3 people on the Stigmata wagon yesterday. If we keep getting forced into positions like this, we may have our team fully identified before too long. That's not a game loss, but it does put us at a longer term disadvantage.

There are also definitely people stirring stuff up late, so waiting to appeal to the Council or some other reactionary tactic may run afoul of the vote snipes.

I'm not sure I have a recommendation yet. I don't think Wasabi is certain to die today, but I know that some people will be averse to voting for Ryvvn or Rekard for non-team reasons, so it could well happen. I would have thought that DOM would be a viable alternate bandwagon... the guy won the last game. But not today, it seems.

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Re: Night 2

Postby Wasabi » 09 Oct 2013, 15:53:19

Thanks for the support, breathing much easier now.

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Re: Night 2

Postby Clearasday » 09 Oct 2013, 16:12:06

Also guys, remember to throw out as much confusing stuff as possible.

That smeghead Clearasday in daythread 2 wrote:You've got some big boots coming in here all threatening like to a fine upstanding best friend of mine such as Ozymandias.


Sometimes people actually believe it.
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Re: Night 2

Postby Clearasday » 09 Oct 2013, 16:13:36

Okay I'm off to bed, and this is about the latest you'll likely ever see me about people. I am situated back in England now, so take that into account if you want to communicate with me. I apologise if this inconveniences any tactics we might have. I've put in a request for rekard > dferrantino for tribble-tracing. Good night and good luck.
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Re: Night 2

Postby FurinMirado » 09 Oct 2013, 17:34:18

Threw my vote out for Ryvvn. That should give him a good lead, although blindsniper apparently wants to try to force a tie.

In the Council I offered to pull any Klingon votes off of Ryvvn if his faction leader came forward. No one has come forward yet. Unfortunately I will have to go to bed before EOD. I realize this basically tells everyone that Ryvvn is not Klingon but if he ends up lynched we'll all find that out anyway, yes?

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Re: Night 2

Postby Admetus » 09 Oct 2013, 17:48:25

Nice offer. I was also wondering if there might come a good time to pull the reverse CAD play, and demand a person be saved or else, even though they're not really Klingon.

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Re: Night 2

Postby Admetus » 09 Oct 2013, 17:55:39

3 hours to go.

Ryvvn - 6 - Okaros, rekard, Wasabi, Mortus, Clearasday, FurinMirado
Rekard - 4 - Admetus, Augenvonsauron, Ryvvn, dferrantino
Wasabi - 4 - Mister E. Meat, Visigoth, stigmata, Blindsniper83
DastardlyOldMan - Hellheart
Augenvonsauron - San
Visigoth - Griffypoo
Hellheart - Meta4

Yet to vote (5):
DastardlyOldMan
Ozymandias
Rictus
sphenodont
twdog

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Re: Night 2

Postby Admetus » 09 Oct 2013, 20:56:33

Ryvvn wrote:Checking in to notice I'm essentially dead, switching to Wasabi out of pointless self-defense.

For what it's worth, I heard that a certain race would have been willing to move off me if I had been claimed; so I'll just claim myself: I'm aligned with the Romulans, not a sociopath.

Here's hoping the great and powerful Q shows mercy on this humble trader.... :cry:

I'm going to use this as motivation to move on to Wasabi. As I count it, if Ryvvn is a Romulan as he claims, he's at 9, and Wasabi's at 5. Should be safe, and it will confuse the analysis, perhaps, if Wasabi can't be Klingon because a Klingon moved on to him.

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Re: Night 2

Postby Wasabi » 09 Oct 2013, 20:58:29

There could be other manipulations afoot, but what the heck. Keep in mind that I misspoke earlier, my vote on Ryvvn will be doubled because he's Romulan.


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