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Draw & Discard - Day 2

Postby Ryvvn » 04 Apr 2017, 20:30:15

Well, I never would have expected it to be you who would allow in such riff-raff, Your Royal Highness! I think under these circumstances, your parents would agree, best to just put you in time out for a little bit....

Final Tally:
rekard -6- gungnir, admetus, hellheart, chris, zark, rekard
zark -4- rekard, jrs, fcm, rave, stdio
gungnir -1- aldax
fcm -1- blind

Game Reveals:
Player rekard -- The Princess -- has been detained.
Due to the order of operations (see rules thread), for this day only, I must state that at the time of placement in detention, rekard was human.
A second wolf has been selected; proper mauls will begin tonight.

Today's vote will belong only to rekard, all other players are excused from the daily vote requirement for today only; players are encouraged to assist the Princess in her vote selection (use of vote tags is permitted, they will just not be counted).

The GM says this:


Important note: a player in detention can not win the vote to be detained again on back-to-back days, they must be freed first to be detained again. Also, a general reminder, the player in detention may not be selected for maul while detained.


Oh, boy, it looks like her Highness might be about to throw a bit of a royal temper tantrum; it'd probably be best to not cross her today.

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Re: Draw & Discard - Day 2

Postby 7-zark-7 » 04 Apr 2017, 20:46:07

Ryvvn wrote:
Game Reveals:
Player rekard -- The Princess -- has been detained.
Due to the order of operations (see rules thread), for this day only, I must state that at the time of placement in detention, rekard was human.
A second wolf has been selected; proper mauls will begin tonight.


So... order of operations question: was the wolf selection processed before or after Rekard's role reveal?

Will her role be revealed a second time if we detain her again?

If I understand the rules (jury's out) I'm a little upset that you've created what appears to be an immortal Rekard. We should make it a point to not do that again.

More in a bit,

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Re: Draw & Discard - Day 2

Postby Admetus » 04 Apr 2017, 20:49:55

He was human, then the one wolf picked a wolf partner in the night phase. I don't think the wolf could reasonably pick rekard before his role was shown to be a thing that would survive detention. I'm assuming he is still human.

That's a reasonably good outcome for the first lynch.

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Re: Draw & Discard - Day 2

Postby rekard » 04 Apr 2017, 20:54:00

MWHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Image

Behold!
The ultimate nightmare of an Okaros wolf!
The immortal human Rekard!

And the cherry on top, I get to decide today's vote.

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Re: Draw & Discard - Day 2

Postby rekard » 04 Apr 2017, 21:09:06

Do not despair. I am a fair ruler.
I will decide this justly.

I will consider what everyone says and make my choice. BUT! BUT!

If someone misses to offer a suggestion. TO THE CHOPPING BLOCK!

Or I could decide to be petty and accomplish a little bit of revenge.
So, Zark, how you doing?

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Re: Draw & Discard - Day 2

Postby Ryvvn » 04 Apr 2017, 21:22:37

7-zark-7 wrote:So... order of operations question: was the wolf selection processed before or after Rekard's role reveal?

Will her role be revealed a second time if we detain her again?

Wolf selection took the place of the maul, so it was processed at the time of the maul; in other words, after rekard was moved to detention and the Princess effect (revealing faction) triggered.

Moving the Princess to detention again will trigger a faction reveal again.

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Re: Draw & Discard - Day 2

Postby 7-zark-7 » 04 Apr 2017, 21:36:48

rekard wrote:I could decide to be petty and accomplish a little bit of revenge.
So, Zark, how you doing?


Pretty good actually. I didn't expect you to vote for yourself, which was fun.

If order of ops didn't soft clear you, I'd ask if you could do it again, but I'm changing the subject.

How are you, princess?

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Re: Draw & Discard - Day 2

Postby The Fairy Catmother » 04 Apr 2017, 22:09:13

Agreed, the chances of the original wolf picking rekard when he was on the chopping block are extremely slim.
I hope there are no hard feelings, Princess rekard!

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Re: Draw & Discard - Day 2

Postby Admetus » 04 Apr 2017, 22:29:01

After pondering the options, I'm suggesting FCM.

#Vote for: The Fairy Catmother

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Re: Draw & Discard - Day 2

Postby Gungnir888 » 05 Apr 2017, 05:07:42

A pretty decent day 1. We identified our (presumably still) alpha human. The only downside is that the wolves won't randomly pick off rekard and waste a maul further down the road. We are searching for a needle at this point, as only one player would have been voting from a wolf's POV yesterday.

Given the solo nature of the wolf, I'm betting they were likely part of the bandwagons, rather than the singletons. It's the easiest way to hide on Day 1. So there, I've narrowed my list down to a mere 9 suspects. Let's see what the day's chatter brings.

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Re: Draw & Discard - Day 2

Postby rekard » 05 Apr 2017, 06:21:20

I have announced my candidates for removal!
Those who voted for me!

Do you want me to change that stance? Convince me.

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Re: Draw & Discard - Day 2

Postby ChrisWulf » 05 Apr 2017, 06:25:26

I agree with Gungnir. Highly likely they weren't someone who posted quite early in the day.
From earlier experiences, I'll have to
#Vote for: The Fairy Catmother
. It's unusual to see here be this "quiet" :) Let's see if I'm right again this time!

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Re: Draw & Discard - Day 2

Postby 7-zark-7 » 05 Apr 2017, 06:53:53

Hmm retracted, was
#Vote for: thefairycatmother
is also a frequent Zark shooter. Perhaps she needs a time out.

Someone get the princess a snickers? She's getting a little hangry.

More in a bit,

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Re: Draw & Discard - Day 2

Postby Gungnir888 » 05 Apr 2017, 07:10:42

rekard wrote:I have announced my candidates for removal!
Those who voted for me!

Do you want me to change that stance? Convince me.


Hmm, if you choose to behave in a manner fitting a princess, that leaves you with Admetus or zark. It's just bad form to kill a returning player, Chris appears to be a first timer based on post count, and unless HH has been a heck of a lot more active in the last couple months, is also a poor candidate for early removal.

As I don't want to live in a world without zark's flavor text, I'll have to recommend
#Vote for: Admetus


Edit: Also interested in the runaway bandwagon on day two. I know our votes don't matter, but let's not provide more smokescreen than absolutely necessary.

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Re: Draw & Discard - Day 2

Postby rekard » 05 Apr 2017, 07:28:01

You have convinced me plebeian!

So now, I'll be asking for volunteers. Who wants to go to prison? And why?
Interviews start now!

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Re: Draw & Discard - Day 2

Postby RaveBomb » 05 Apr 2017, 07:42:56

Oh Fair Princess rekard, I have always been your biggest fan. I support your policies and would gladly spend a night in jail if it would serve the greater good.
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Re: Draw & Discard - Day 2

Postby Jrsthethird » 05 Apr 2017, 08:41:02

Greetings Princess rekard!

Does this mean we can all
#Vote for: RaveBomb
again and it won't do a damn thing? That's a plan I can get behind!

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Re: Draw & Discard - Day 2

Postby rekard » 05 Apr 2017, 09:09:07

Jrs. Your vote might be useless, but your words are not. And what you said have been just that!

I want ideas! Jrs has currently rose up to the top of the rankings.

Ravebomb. You have betrayed me in the past. I would need more of you want to be detained in honor of your princess. You will have to announce your role then. I can't trust you if you're going have a power you will use to switch with me and kill me.
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Re: Draw & Discard - Day 2

Postby 7-zark-7 » 05 Apr 2017, 09:19:57

Wait...
#Vote for: Ravebomb
is playing?

Edit: This whole Jail aspect reminds me of his Princess Luna days -- need to find that game again

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Re: Draw & Discard - Day 2

Postby RaveBomb » 05 Apr 2017, 09:41:19

Oh great and powerful rekard, I have spent years collecting secrets and confessions from all of the flock here. I am sure that you could find one or two little tidbits if information useful could you not? Do you want to know what Zark keeps in his bedside drawer? Perhaps you'd like to know where Gungnir888 goes on his days off? Maybe you'd like to know why ChrisWulf spends so much money on razors. An answer could be yours.
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Re: Draw & Discard - Day 2

Postby rekard » 05 Apr 2017, 09:51:39

Hey guys. Is there a reason to not have the Priest detained?

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Re: Draw & Discard - Day 2

Postby Gungnir888 » 05 Apr 2017, 10:17:02

Absolutely none, and they are guaranteed out of the palace the following day, so I'm immediately suspicious of anyone voluntarily leaping to that claim.

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Re: Draw & Discard - Day 2

Postby Gungnir888 » 05 Apr 2017, 10:19:05

Basically, I read it as a one shot seering before the player is gone.

We haven't eliminated any players - why would the seer want to burn their life and vision while we have the largest possible number of targets?

But wouldn't it be a smart play for somebody with a role switching ability to claim?

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Re: Draw & Discard - Day 2

Postby Ryvvn » 05 Apr 2017, 10:54:49

This was a poorly considered rule change, it is to be disregarded; leaving as spoiler for reference.
[+] Disregard

The GM says this:


After consideration, and an unintended clerical error, I am stating that the wolves may maul a player at the time they are moving into detention but not on the day they are detained. This was the original intention, but the rules as they are stated, along with the order of operations, essentially block the wolves from mauling any vote winning player two days in a row. The order of ops will remain as is, but with this allowance for the maul.

The GM says this:


A player mauled at the time of moving into detention will not trigger any role effects.

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Re: Draw & Discard - Day 2

Postby rekard » 05 Apr 2017, 11:14:20

So you're saying that a player can be mauled while in detention?

And the day the player gets lynched, he can't get mauled?

But for example, if the Priest is in detention, his power will still work right even if mauled?

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Re: Draw & Discard - Day 2

Postby Gungnir888 » 05 Apr 2017, 11:24:12

rekard wrote:So you're saying that a player can be mauled while in detention?

And the day the player gets lynched, he can't get mauled?

But for example, if the Priest is in detention, his power will still work right even if mauled?


Ravebomb could be mauled on his way to detention tonight, but not while he is being held tomorrow.

Not sure I like that order of operations, as it allows an EOD wolf the chance to essentially block all humans from exercising their abilities.

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Re: Draw & Discard - Day 2

Postby Ryvvn » 05 Apr 2017, 11:28:15

Gungnir888 wrote:
rekard wrote:So you're saying that a player can be mauled while in detention?

And the day the player gets lynched, he can't get mauled?

But for example, if the Priest is in detention, his power will still work right even if mauled?


Ravebomb could be mauled on his way to detention tonight, but not while he is being held tomorrow.

Not sure I like that order of operations, as it allows an EOD wolf the chance to essentially block all humans from exercising their abilities.

Yes, I actually just realize that myself, reverting that rule change! The only way to not inadvertently cripple the wolves would be to allow them to maul the detained player the day of but after that player's effect had triggered... hmm.

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Re: Draw & Discard - Day 2

Postby Gungnir888 » 05 Apr 2017, 11:31:57

Ryvvn wrote:
Gungnir888 wrote:
rekard wrote:So you're saying that a player can be mauled while in detention?

And the day the player gets lynched, he can't get mauled?

But for example, if the Priest is in detention, his power will still work right even if mauled?


Ravebomb could be mauled on his way to detention tonight, but not while he is being held tomorrow.

Not sure I like that order of operations, as it allows an EOD wolf the chance to essentially block all humans from exercising their abilities.

Yes, I actually just realize that myself, reverting that rule change! The only way to not inadvertently cripple the wolves would be to allow them to maul the detained player the day of but after that player's effect had triggered... hmm.


And that becomes a logistical nightmare, because every potential detention candidate would have to submit their action prior to closing the day, or we move to a 12 hour vote window and 12 hour action window or similar.

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Re: Draw & Discard - Day 2

Postby Ryvvn » 05 Apr 2017, 11:34:59

Gungnir888 wrote:
Ryvvn wrote:
Gungnir888 wrote:
rekard wrote:So you're saying that a player can be mauled while in detention?

And the day the player gets lynched, he can't get mauled?

But for example, if the Priest is in detention, his power will still work right even if mauled?


Ravebomb could be mauled on his way to detention tonight, but not while he is being held tomorrow.

Not sure I like that order of operations, as it allows an EOD wolf the chance to essentially block all humans from exercising their abilities.

Yes, I actually just realize that myself, reverting that rule change! The only way to not inadvertently cripple the wolves would be to allow them to maul the detained player the day of but after that player's effect had triggered... hmm.


And that becomes a logistical nightmare, because every potential detention candidate would have to submit their action prior to closing the day, or we move to a 12 hour vote window and 12 hour action window or similar.

No, I mean:
Day X: Omega is voted to be detained, may not be mauled by wolves.
Day Y: Omega's in detention, has 24 hour day to utilize power; may be mauled by wolves that night. So if Omega had a power that could return him to life, the wolves maul would still kill him.

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Re: Draw & Discard - Day 2

Postby Gungnir888 » 05 Apr 2017, 11:40:54

Gotcha, that should meet both criteria and still allow powers to fire off prior to maul resolution.

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Re: Draw & Discard - Day 2

Postby Admetus » 05 Apr 2017, 12:07:34

Honestly, these detention power things should simply be day powers, and then you're fine. Like for instance the Princess's power of controlling the vote.

The fact that several of them return the player to the village is an entirely separate issue with separate balance challenges.

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Re: Draw & Discard - Day 2

Postby The Fairy Catmother » 05 Apr 2017, 12:25:41

ChrisWulf wrote:I agree with Gungnir. Highly likely they weren't someone who posted quite early in the day.
From earlier experiences, I'll have to
#Vote for: The Fairy Catmother
. It's unusual to see here be this "quiet" :) Let's see if I'm right again this time!


I actually thought you would mention that at some point. But you'll see that I'm much quieter in a forum game- with the lack of body language and voice tone that comes with being online, I'm too apprehensive of accidentally offending someone to yell and get into as many arguments as I do in person.

Ryvvn wrote:This was a poorly considered rule change, it is to be disregarded; leaving as spoiler for reference.
[+] Disregard

The GM says this:


After consideration, and an unintended clerical error, I am stating that the wolves may maul a player at the time they are moving into detention but not on the day they are detained. This was the original intention, but the rules as they are stated, along with the order of operations, essentially block the wolves from mauling any vote winning player two days in a row. The order of ops will remain as is, but with this allowance for the maul.

The GM says this:


A player mauled at the time of moving into detention will not trigger any role effects.


So, Ryvvn, is the order of operations unchanged then? A player can't be mauled either the day they go into detention, or the day they're in detention?

This, along with the alpha princess rekard is an interesting combination- since we can be pretty sure rekard is still human (and 100% sure if we detain rekard a second time), that means at endgame, we have potentially 2 unmaulable humans (the one in and detention and the one entering that day). If the princess is currently in detention, that day's vote is decided with no tainting by the wolves.

So all we have to do is get to the end of the game, and put all our faith into rekard.

:flail:

May I humbly suggest
#Vote for: Admetus
, Princess?

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Re: Draw & Discard - Day 2

Postby rekard » 05 Apr 2017, 12:28:38

Official Vote Tally:

Zark - 1000000 - Rekard X 1000000
Jrs - 10000 - Rekard X 10000
Ravebomb- 9999 Rekard X 9999
FCM - 1000 - Rekard X 1000
Admetus 856 - Rekard X 856
Everyone else - Who cares

Jrs because he isn't seriously suggesting anyone.
Ravebomb because he isn't suggesting anyone.
FCM because people want to kick her out it seems.
Admetus because some but fewer people want to kick him out.
Zark just because.


Candidates for automatic detention. They have not spoken:
Aldax
Blindsniper
Hellheart
stdio

WARNING! One word votes don't count!

Once they suggest me something, I will take them out from automatic detention.

It feels good to be a princess.

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Re: Draw & Discard - Day 2

Postby Admetus » 05 Apr 2017, 13:29:42

This, along with the alpha princess rekard is an interesting combination- since we can be pretty sure rekard is still human (and 100% sure if we detain rekard a second time), that means at endgame, we have potentially 2 unmaulable humans (the one in and detention and the one entering that day). If the princess is currently in detention, that day's vote is decided with no tainting by the wolves.

While it would be hilarious, this wouldn't be effective. You're letting the wolves get an extra maul the day we waste sending rekard back into detention.

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Re: Draw & Discard - Day 2

Postby Ryvvn » 05 Apr 2017, 14:34:37

The GM says this:


Okay, decision: wolves may not maul a player moving into detention (meaning a player who won the town vote that day cannot be mauled that night). However, wolves may maul a player the night of the day that player has spent in detention; the detained player will still have triggered/used their role's effect. If that player were to die from detention that night, the wolves maul disregards further conditionals and is missed.

Example:
Day X: Omega is voted to be detained, may not be mauled by wolves.
Day Y: Omega's in detention, has 24 hour day to utilize power; may be mauled by wolves that night. So if Omega had a power that could return him to life, the wolves maul would still kill him.

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Re: Draw & Discard - Day 2

Postby Blindsniper83 » 05 Apr 2017, 14:39:12

#Vote for: Ravebomb
, if only because it ravebomb and hes always shifty, i mean look at those beady eyes
RaveBomb making a lot of sense is how you know you're past the point of no return and that death is the only escape.

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Re: Draw & Discard - Day 2

Postby The Fairy Catmother » 05 Apr 2017, 14:58:01

Admetus wrote:
This, along with the alpha princess rekard is an interesting combination- since we can be pretty sure rekard is still human (and 100% sure if we detain rekard a second time), that means at endgame, we have potentially 2 unmaulable humans (the one in and detention and the one entering that day). If the princess is currently in detention, that day's vote is decided with no tainting by the wolves.

While it would be hilarious, this wouldn't be effective. You're letting the wolves get an extra maul the day we waste sending rekard back into detention.


That's why I said it would happen at endgame- because we can't be mauled the day we go into detention, or the day after, there would be no maul.

There'd be a very narrow window of time it could happen. And it probably wouldn't be necessary. But it would be interesting to see.

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Re: Draw & Discard - Day 2

Postby Hellheart » 05 Apr 2017, 15:24:55

I'm finally among ROYALTY again!

Or what passes for Royalty here, anyway. I mean, you're nothing like the Diamonds back on Homeworld. They would squash you like bugs. And you spend your incredibly short, insignificant lives arguing over pointless details instead of, oh I don't know, trying to save your worthless planet from EXTINCTION!

Of course you need my analytical skills. You humans can't even calculate orbital velocities without relying on your outdated technology!

Looking at the voters for this "rekard" human, the most suspicious voter is CLEARLY rekard. A Gem would never sabotage her own mission! ...Erm, well, perhaps with one exception, but that's not important. Other than that, I would PREFER to remove the apathetic humans. I've examined the historical records of your so-called "games" and have determined that the human named
#Vote for: Blindsniper
is the most apathetic of the lot.

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Re: Draw & Discard - Day 2

Postby Hellheart » 05 Apr 2017, 15:26:36

((Oh God. I am going to have so much fun with this one. Thank you Steven Universe.))

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Re: Draw & Discard - Day 2

Postby Admetus » 05 Apr 2017, 17:18:25

That's why I said it would happen at endgame- because we can't be mauled the day we go into detention, or the day after, there would be no maul.

Who is the "we" that can't be mauled? Just rekard? But someone else gets mauled and you didn't lynch anyone useful that day. No, I'm still not getting how this isn't awful. Sorry if I'm misunderstanding.

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Re: Draw & Discard - Day 2

Postby Aldax » 05 Apr 2017, 17:31:16

I don't really have a suggestion, only that you could jail
#Vote for: stdio
Moral of the story: Never self-vig. - rekard

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Re: Draw & Discard - Day 2

Postby Ryvvn » 05 Apr 2017, 17:45:28

A little over two hours until EoD; the Princess has not yet elected anyone to be detained.

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Re: Draw & Discard - Day 2

Postby rekard » 05 Apr 2017, 18:16:07

This is my reality show!

I will decide until the last minute to see who gets the rose!

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Re: Draw & Discard - Day 2

Postby stdio » 05 Apr 2017, 19:26:00

I'd suggest
#Vote for: admetus
, because he made it to the last day in the previous game

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Re: Draw & Discard - Day 2

Postby rekard » 05 Apr 2017, 19:41:09

Now the Vote Ranking!

1. Zark
2. Jrs
3. Blindsniper
4. Catmother
5. Admetus
6. Ravebomb
7. Aldax
8. stdio
9. Gungnir
10. Hellheart

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Re: Draw & Discard - Day 2

Postby rekard » 05 Apr 2017, 19:53:27

With sadness, I will choose no one!

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Re: Draw & Discard - Day 2

Postby rekard » 05 Apr 2017, 19:55:03

Just kidding!

I choose JrsThePlebeian.

In my court people will not vote randomly.

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Re: Draw & Discard - Day 2

Postby stdio » 05 Apr 2017, 19:56:22

so, what?! Are you saying your choice is in another castle or something!? YOU'RE JUST LIKE THE GODDAMN TOAD!!!! JUST TELL ME WHAT I NEED TO DO!!!

edit:


never mind, just saw you made a choice after all. Fuck you, you tease.

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Re: Draw & Discard - Day 2

Postby rekard » 05 Apr 2017, 19:57:52

Go to the castle where the desert meets the sky. There you will find your destination.

I changed my mind. I am choosing Zark.

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Re: Draw & Discard - Day 2

Postby rekard » 05 Apr 2017, 19:59:46

Hah. Actually

#Vote for: Aldax


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