Day 1: A is for Anti-Establishment

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Day 1: A is for Anti-Establishment

Postby sphenodont » 22 Aug 2017, 11:37:50

The clouds passed and the rain let up. As the new morning revealed itself, the morning sun blazed a spotlight on the still-cooling corpse of dferrantino. Unlike the last few deaths, though, you were pretty sure this one wasn't due to overindulgence in the wrong kind of mushrooms. (The large bite taken out of the side of his skull was a big hint.)

Before anyone could complain about the scarcity of flavortext, the voting had begun. Hiller's Mallow had a werewolf problem, and it needed to be sorted out before the flower market in two week's time.

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Re: Day 1: A is for Anti-Establishment

Postby sphenodont » 22 Aug 2017, 11:38:09

Ryvvn has the first vote today.

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Re: Day 1: A is for Anti-Establishment

Postby sphenodont » 22 Aug 2017, 11:38:33

The GM says this:


There are two wolves, one seer, and one vigilante at play.

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Re: Day 1: A is for Anti-Establishment

Postby The Fairy Catmother » 22 Aug 2017, 12:34:39

It's never a good thing when our fate begins in Ryvvn's paws hands.

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Re: Day 1: A is for Anti-Establishment

Postby Ryvvn » 22 Aug 2017, 13:26:10

Well, I see
#Vote for: simple_simon
has rejoined us, he's been away quite a long while, so let's cut that guy a couple days slack, eh.

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Re: Day 1: A is for Anti-Establishment

Postby rekard » 22 Aug 2017, 14:21:52

Simon! Simon! Pick me!

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Re: Day 1: A is for Anti-Establishment

Postby RaveBomb » 22 Aug 2017, 14:44:06

I feel that Simon is an excellent pick for and innocent.

You know who else is? I am. I am 100% not a wolf. Nope. I even had my K9 teeth removed at a young age.
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Re: Day 1: A is for Anti-Establishment

Postby Admetus » 22 Aug 2017, 14:47:03

Oh man. I just realized this is going to be like picking teams in grade school. Someone's going to be last and it's going to be increasingly awkward.

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Re: Day 1: A is for Anti-Establishment

Postby Simple_Simon » 22 Aug 2017, 14:49:25

Sorry dudes, I work during the day so might want to plan around that (new development that occurred after I signed up last week).

rekard wrote:Simon! Simon! Pick me!


Why not,
#Vote for: rekard
, it's as good a reason as any at the moment.
For what it's worth, though, his talking to himself is awfully entertaining.-sphen
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Re: Day 1: A is for Anti-Establishment

Postby DastardlyOldMan » 22 Aug 2017, 15:14:06

OK - trying to wrap my head around the mechanic / strategy a bit. If we leave only the suspicious people until the end (by voting out the innocent people early), then we're giving the final lynch vote to the suspicious people. I think that gives us more information on them, but effectively, the 3rd-to-last person effectively picks between two remaining candidates, and then whomever he picks has to kill the last one. So, if we have confirmed humans, we may want to kind of ~reserve a voting slot for them around #3 or #4 from the end, if I'm reading it right. If someone pushes them into the lynch, then we know that person's a wolf, etc., etal.

Going to be interesting to see what kind of info we get out of the earlier votes - we do want to make sure we're not pushing the same 3 or 4 people to the end every time, or we'll never get info on the front half.

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Re: Day 1: A is for Anti-Establishment

Postby The Fairy Catmother » 22 Aug 2017, 16:16:50

Yeah, I was trying to wrap my head around that as well. It's definitely going to be an interesting mechanic.

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Re: Day 1: A is for Anti-Establishment

Postby sphenodont » 22 Aug 2017, 16:50:30

The GM says this:


Contingency votes can be made publicly or via PM.

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Re: Day 1: A is for Anti-Establishment

Postby DastardlyOldMan » 22 Aug 2017, 18:56:57

I would ask that people do them via PM, because otherwise the wolves will know if you're going to clear their buddy or not and choose you based on that - don't give them that extra information.

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Re: Day 1: A is for Anti-Establishment

Postby sphenodont » 22 Aug 2017, 19:21:01

rekard is skipped.
Aldax now has the vote.

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Re: Day 1: A is for Anti-Establishment

Postby 7-zark-7 » 22 Aug 2017, 19:22:45

On vacation (we rented a beach house in 99.9% totality - the eclipse was awesome). I'm wondering about this mechanic... seems a little shade tree for my taste.

Also debating on RP / Avatar. Any suggestions? I like agent smith, but don't really feel he should be three games in a row.

Stealth edit. Skipping Rekard? Good call.

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Re: Day 1: A is for Anti-Establishment

Postby rekard » 22 Aug 2017, 19:51:57

Wait wait Wait! I was working! Also 6 hours have not passed.

I nominate
#Vote for: Dastardlyoldman

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Re: Day 1: A is for Anti-Establishment

Postby sphenodont » 22 Aug 2017, 19:59:10

Miscounted the hours. You're good, rekard.

Also, I think I won't skip people unless another player specifically calls time on the current one. I just want to make sure the game keeps moving, without putting a hard deadline on each day.

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Re: Day 1: A is for Anti-Establishment

Postby Jrsthethird » 22 Aug 2017, 20:00:39

Edit: rekard voted while I was typing this. Doesn't include his recent vote. :shake:

Just spelling this out for everyone since I thought through it and it may not be obvious what's happened so far:

Ryvvn ---> Simple_Simon
Simple_Simon ---> rekard
rekard skipped
Aldax ---> ???

sphenodont wrote:Player List / Turn Order
Ryvvn
7-zark-7
DastardlyOldMan
Jrsthethird
rekard
Simple_Simon
Aldax
RaveBomb
The Fairy Catmother
Admetus
Meta4


Bold = already voted
Green = safe
Both = both

Ryvvn voted for Simon, giving him the vote. Simon voted for rekard, giving him the vote. Rekard did not respond in 6 hours and had no proxy vote, so he was skipped. Vote passes to next player in list, and since Simon had voted already, then Aldax is next to vote. If he passes too, then it goes to the dartboard (i.e. RaveBomb).
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Re: Day 1: A is for Anti-Establishment

Postby Jrsthethird » 22 Aug 2017, 20:02:02

Dammit rekard, I thought you were skipped! My work is too beautiful to delete, I think the formatting is very helpful.

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Re: Day 1: A is for Anti-Establishment

Postby Meta4 » 23 Aug 2017, 05:44:06

Oooh, pick me, pick me!
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Re: Day 1: A is for Anti-Establishment

Postby DastardlyOldMan » 23 Aug 2017, 06:33:23

I cannot in good conscience allow for 7-Zark-7 RP to pass away on Day 1.

#Vote for: 7-Zark-7


Damn the man!

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Re: Day 1: A is for Anti-Establishment

Postby sphenodont » 23 Aug 2017, 07:39:47

Stealing the format from Jrsthethird, because it works pretty well. I'll switch to italics for voted, and bold for safe, though.

Turn Order
Ryvvn
7-zark-7
DastardlyOldMan
Jrsthethird
rekard
Simple_Simon
Aldax
RaveBomb
The Fairy Catmother
Admetus
Meta4

Vote History
Ryvvn -> Simple_Simon
Simple_Simon -> rekard
rekard -> DastardlyOldMan
DastardlyOldMan -> 7-zark-7

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Re: Day 1: A is for Anti-Establishment

Postby Admetus » 23 Aug 2017, 08:14:36

DastardlyOldMan wrote:OK - trying to wrap my head around the mechanic / strategy a bit. If we leave only the suspicious people until the end (by voting out the innocent people early), then we're giving the final lynch vote to the suspicious people. I think that gives us more information on them, but effectively, the 3rd-to-last person effectively picks between two remaining candidates, and then whomever he picks has to kill the last one. So, if we have confirmed humans, we may want to kind of ~reserve a voting slot for them around #3 or #4 from the end, if I'm reading it right. If someone pushes them into the lynch, then we know that person's a wolf, etc., etal.

Going to be interesting to see what kind of info we get out of the earlier votes - we do want to make sure we're not pushing the same 3 or 4 people to the end every time, or we'll never get info on the front half.

It's almost like the group has to unanimously select the lynch target. I mean, not exactly, but any one person can veto a lynch. I feel like it would be impossible to lynch a wolf in a large game with many wolves to spread out the burden of protecting other wolves. All but one wolf would be getting a chance to save someone, at best! Thankfully in this one there are only two wolves, but even still, we might be pretty reliant on the seer.

Another thing that we have to compensate for: people protecting players that protected/agreed with them. It happens all the time in normal games, but here it can make a lot more difference. Also it makes it harder to pick out wolf cooperation among the human back-scratching.

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Re: Day 1: A is for Anti-Establishment

Postby DastardlyOldMan » 23 Aug 2017, 08:28:24

Ah, that chart brings up another point that I missed - Ryvvn's not safe, and in fact, the first person of each day is probably a bit more at risk, just because people are thinking of giving the vote, and he's already had his. I missed that, or I might have tossed the courtesy vote to Ryvvn there and let whatever RNG / list-ordering have it's way.

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Re: Day 1: A is for Anti-Establishment

Postby Admetus » 23 Aug 2017, 08:42:22

That just makes the person randomly selected after Ryvvn into the next Ryvvn (as in: voting but not safe).

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Re: Day 1: A is for Anti-Establishment

Postby Ryvvn » 23 Aug 2017, 11:29:36

I made the mistake of also thinking I was safe as first voter (see my comment in day zero thread), but now I think it seems that whoever starts a day is more likely to die because I think people will instinctively push their votes to players who haven't had attention yet, and being the first feels like a lot of attention.

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Re: Day 1: A is for Anti-Establishment

Postby The Fairy Catmother » 23 Aug 2017, 13:12:46

Now that it's been pointed out, hopefully that little flaw in human psychology will be alleviated. Let's just not forget to consider the first voter.

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Re: Day 1: A is for Anti-Establishment

Postby Meta4 » 23 Aug 2017, 14:01:41

It looks like I may not be around long enough to vote today. In that case, consider this a pre-vote for...

Proxy vote: RaveBomb

I don't have any reason to think he's innocent, but a tradition is a tradition.



Edit: Removed the vote tag and clarified this is a proxy vote, as per the rules.
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Re: Day 1: A is for Anti-Establishment

Postby Meta4 » 23 Aug 2017, 14:02:48

Whoops, repost!
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Re: Day 1: A is for Anti-Establishment

Postby Jrsthethird » 23 Aug 2017, 14:07:30

Is that supposed to be a proxy vote? It's zark's turn, not yours.

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Re: Day 1: A is for Anti-Establishment

Postby RaveBomb » 23 Aug 2017, 17:59:57

Zark should vote for me just to screw with Meta4... :D
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Re: Day 1: A is for Anti-Establishment

Postby Jrsthethird » 23 Aug 2017, 18:27:54

Also, I thought we were avoiding Ryvvn because he lone-wolfed it last game.

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Re: Day 1: A is for Anti-Establishment

Postby sphenodont » 23 Aug 2017, 18:53:06

The GM says this:


I'll treat Meta4's vote as a proxy.

Zark is skipped. Vote goes to Jrsthethird.

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Re: Day 1: A is for Anti-Establishment

Postby The Fairy Catmother » 23 Aug 2017, 18:56:38

::waves hi::
Hey buddy, vote for me!

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Re: Day 1: A is for Anti-Establishment

Postby 7-zark-7 » 23 Aug 2017, 21:28:42

sphenodont wrote:Miscounted the hours. You're good, rekard.

Also, I think I won't skip people unless another player specifically calls time on the current one. I just want to make sure the game keeps moving, without putting a hard deadline on each day.


sphenodont wrote:

The GM says this:


I'll treat Meta4's vote as a proxy.

Zark is skipped. Vote goes to Jrsthethird.


Ahem.

#Vote for: Fairy Catmother


Treat it as you will, just know that Zark is tanned and rested and ready to get more tanned and rested.

More in a bit,

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Re: Day 1: A is for Anti-Establishment

Postby 7-zark-7 » 23 Aug 2017, 21:29:17

RaveBomb wrote:Zark should vote for me just to screw with Meta4... :D


I did consider this
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Re: Day 1: A is for Anti-Establishment

Postby The Fairy Catmother » 23 Aug 2017, 22:59:53

So, does that count?

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Re: Day 1: A is for Anti-Establishment

Postby Jrsthethird » 24 Aug 2017, 00:08:22

As the player who would have voted, I have no objection.

I'll
#Vote for: FCM
so we can continue regardless. Whether this counts as my vote or zark's is up to spheno.

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Re: Day 1: A is for Anti-Establishment

Postby DastardlyOldMan » 24 Aug 2017, 07:35:37

Still thinking about strategy and such, and what kind of analytic data to pull. Normally, we look at wagons and timing and things like that, but I'm honestly struggling to figure out what the wolf tells in this version would be. Consistently voting for the same person to reduce your footprint, maybe? Every vote is a standalone. Hopefully it fleshes itself out, but I can see me, personally, struggling to figure out what's going on.

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Re: Day 1: A is for Anti-Establishment

Postby Meta4 » 24 Aug 2017, 07:35:56

That was a proxy vote, sorry if that wasn't sufficiently obvious. I missed the whole "don't use the vote tag for proxy votes" thing. Apologies for the confusion.
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Re: Day 1: A is for Anti-Establishment

Postby DastardlyOldMan » 24 Aug 2017, 07:43:26

((FYI - going to be slightly out of the loop for the next few days - Goodwill coming to pick up everything I own tomorrow morning, and I've got to return the cable modem, so I'll be dependent on WiFi here & there - and then in the car most of Monday. I'll be able to check in here & there, but I expect some large blocks of absence. It's starting to get real now!))

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Re: Day 1: A is for Anti-Establishment

Postby The Fairy Catmother » 24 Aug 2017, 08:11:31

I sent sphenodont a proxy vote when I asked my question here in the game thread. It looks like he hasn't checked in yet, but I'll make the same vote here now.

#Vote for: Admetus


Sphenodont, can you recap the votes for us so we know which votes are counted as official?

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Re: Day 1: A is for Anti-Establishment

Postby sphenodont » 24 Aug 2017, 10:28:31

Sorry folks, got stuck in meetings all morning. I wanted to resolve this first thing, but didn't have a chance.

I'd like some input on how to handle skips. I don't want to force skips (or skip at all really), but I want to keep things moving. It had been ten hours or so without any work from 7z7, so I thought it was safe to skip him.

I'll let zark's vote stand, so FCM's vote counts, and it falls to Admetus now.

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Re: Day 1: A is for Anti-Establishment

Postby sphenodont » 24 Aug 2017, 10:30:45

bold = declared innocent
italic = already voted

Turn Order
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7-zark-7
DastardlyOldMan
Jrsthethird
rekard
Simple_Simon
Aldax
RaveBomb
The Fairy Catmother
Admetus
Meta4

Vote History
Ryvvn -> Simple_Simon
Simple_Simon -> rekard
rekard -> DastardlyOldMan
DastardlyOldMan -> 7-zark-7
7-zark-7 -> The Fairy Catmother
The Fairy Catmother -> Admetus

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Re: Day 1: A is for Anti-Establishment

Postby sphenodont » 24 Aug 2017, 10:32:15

DastardlyOldMan wrote:Still thinking about strategy and such, and what kind of analytic data to pull. Normally, we look at wagons and timing and things like that, but I'm honestly struggling to figure out what the wolf tells in this version would be. Consistently voting for the same person to reduce your footprint, maybe? Every vote is a standalone. Hopefully it fleshes itself out, but I can see me, personally, struggling to figure out what's going on.


To be honest, I thought there would be some more negotiating and deal-making going on, to provide some color of voice to make tone reads. I realize it's first day and a new format, but I hope people are a little more vocal in the future.

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Re: Day 1: A is for Anti-Establishment

Postby Aldax » 24 Aug 2017, 11:15:04

sphenodont wrote:
DastardlyOldMan wrote:Still thinking about strategy and such, and what kind of analytic data to pull. Normally, we look at wagons and timing and things like that, but I'm honestly struggling to figure out what the wolf tells in this version would be. Consistently voting for the same person to reduce your footprint, maybe? Every vote is a standalone. Hopefully it fleshes itself out, but I can see me, personally, struggling to figure out what's going on.


To be honest, I thought there would be some more negotiating and deal-making going on, to provide some color of voice to make tone reads. I realize it's first day and a new format, but I hope people are a little more vocal in the future.


I'm still trying to wrap my mind around the new mechanics, that's why I've been silent the whole time. I guess that starting on Day 2 people will start negotiating and arranging things
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Re: Day 1: A is for Anti-Establishment

Postby DastardlyOldMan » 24 Aug 2017, 12:13:31

sphenodont wrote:
DastardlyOldMan wrote:Still thinking about strategy and such, and what kind of analytic data to pull. Normally, we look at wagons and timing and things like that, but I'm honestly struggling to figure out what the wolf tells in this version would be. Consistently voting for the same person to reduce your footprint, maybe? Every vote is a standalone. Hopefully it fleshes itself out, but I can see me, personally, struggling to figure out what's going on.


To be honest, I thought there would be some more negotiating and deal-making going on, to provide some color of voice to make tone reads. I realize it's first day and a new format, but I hope people are a little more vocal in the future.

Ahhhh. That actually makes sense - I'm not usually one to beg & plead (I mean, obviously, I'm human, right?), but doing so gets more tone out. I can work with that.

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Re: Day 1: A is for Anti-Establishment

Postby Admetus » 24 Aug 2017, 13:07:03

I'm going to pass it back to Meta4. That might reduce any remaining confusion.

#Vote for: Meta4

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Re: Day 1: A is for Anti-Establishment

Postby sphenodont » 24 Aug 2017, 14:38:22

Meta4, do you want to let your proxy stand, or vote for someone else?

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Re: Day 1: A is for Anti-Establishment

Postby RaveBomb » 24 Aug 2017, 15:20:46

I'm about to start gaming for the evening, so assuming Meta4's vote stands:
proxy vote thing Ryvvn
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