Day 1: A is for Anti-Establishment

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Re: Day 1: A is for Anti-Establishment

Postby Meta4 » 24 Aug 2017, 15:43:13

My proxy vote stands.
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Re: Day 1: A is for Anti-Establishment

Postby rekard » 24 Aug 2017, 17:31:17

So Ravebomb will now choose who dies. Can you handle the responsibility? Can you?

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Re: Day 1: A is for Anti-Establishment

Postby Jrsthethird » 24 Aug 2017, 19:22:38

bold = declared innocent
italic = already voted

Turn Order
Ryvvn (tentative save)
7-zark-7
DastardlyOldMan
Jrsthethird
rekard
Simple_Simon
Aldax
RaveBomb (proxy vote pending)
The Fairy Catmother
Admetus
Meta4

Vote History
Ryvvn -> Simple_Simon
Simple_Simon -> rekard
rekard -> DastardlyOldMan
DastardlyOldMan -> 7-zark-7
7-zark-7 -> The Fairy Catmother
The Fairy Catmother -> Admetus
Admetus -> Meta4
Meta4 -> RaveBomb
RaveBomb -> Ryvvn (tentative save)

rekard wrote:So Ravebomb will now choose who dies. Can you handle the responsibility? Can you?


It looks like he's voting Ryvvn, unless he returns and decides to change it, which by his tone is doubtful. Which means Ryvvn chooses who dies, me or Aldax.

I'm going to be pretty annoyed if he chooses Aldax, since I was lynched day 1 last game too. I know that has no bearing on whether I am human or not, but I'd like to not die day 1 two games in a row.

If he does save Aldax and I flip human, start looking at him as a wolf. He would need a good reason to buck the gentleman's rule we've agreed on. Probably the only good reason to do that is if Aldax is the seer, but only Aldax knows if he is or not.

We know Ravebomb has a tendency for rather random voting, so I'm not putting as much faith in his choice to save our lone wolf winner from last game. Like I said earlier, I didn't think he was being overlooked because he started the voting; rather I thought no one was voting him because he lone wolfed last game.

Other than that I have no reads on anyone else. My first instinct in this game is to look for repeated save votes between two players as a likely wolf pair. I'd suggest our seer avoid this if possible because
1. A repeat vote will look wolfy to the humans.
2. The wolves will probably guess the seer if they notice it.

Other than that, I don't have much else right now. I just hope Ryvvn chooses wisely.

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Re: Day 1: A is for Anti-Establishment

Postby Ryvvn » 24 Aug 2017, 20:08:02

It's been rare, if ever, I vote against someone who was an early death last game!

Proxy vote: Jrsthethird (if Rave's proxy stands)

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Re: Day 1: A is for Anti-Establishment

Postby RaveBomb » 24 Aug 2017, 20:43:18

Vote stands
#Vote for: Ryvvn
If our team loses, it's going to be entirely your fault.-rekard
If you still end up losing after this, it's totally not your fault.-Hellheart
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Re: Day 1: A is for Anti-Establishment

Postby Admetus » 24 Aug 2017, 20:53:33

Ryvvn wrote:It's been rare, if ever, I vote against someone who was an early death last game!

Proxy vote: Jrsthethird (if Rave's proxy stands)

You already voted, Ryvvn. I don't think this works.

It's an odd situation. The vote will drop to JRS, right? But he only has Aldax to select. What to do, sphenodont?

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Re: Day 1: A is for Anti-Establishment

Postby sphenodont » 24 Aug 2017, 21:00:30

It's an ugly situation. The set-up doesn't allow for a self-vote, but I can't imagine forcing someone to effectively suicide.

I'll sleep on it and make a call in the morning.

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Re: Day 1: A is for Anti-Establishment

Postby Jrsthethird » 24 Aug 2017, 21:11:41

I forgot he already voted! Well shit!

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Re: Day 1: A is for Anti-Establishment

Postby Jrsthethird » 24 Aug 2017, 21:30:43

Possible solutions:

- Force me to vote Aldax. Not a fun solution and allows for metagaming based on turn order.
- Allow an exception if the vote lands on one if only two remaining players, they still get to choose. Most likely that will result in the non-voting player being lynched, but as you'll see, the ability to self-sacrifice may be a consideration.
- The vote remains on the player who was saved most recently and they have the final word, despite having voted twice.
- Coin flip. Let RNG decide it. The second solution above also has an element of RNG (the randomly decided turn order at the beginning of the game), but also allows more choices and interaction.

I clearly would prefer the second option, but I'd understand any solution other than the first.

All that aside, I'm going to assume I have the option between myself and Aldax:

Is it better to let myself die and save Aldax and not risk accidentally lynching the seer or vig, or better to lynch him and take a stab at hitting a wolf?

Odds are 20% Aldax is wolf, 10% human seer, 10% human vig.

I was seriously considering a self sacrifice until I reread the thread and saw that Aldax posted a total of one time in the thread. That doesn't prove much, but I think the possibility that he's a quiet wolf is higher than the possibility he's one of our human specials. That, and the fact that having more active players is helpful.

One more thing of note: I don't think the wolves would have made such an obvious play of saving each other day one. When we lynch the first one, our eyes would naturally look at the day one votes and look at the two players on either side of the wolf in the vote order. As far as I'm concerned, they get a soft clear for the moment and I would look two or three votes away from the first wolf instead.

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Re: Day 1: A is for Anti-Establishment

Postby Ryvvn » 24 Aug 2017, 21:51:39

Jrsthethird wrote:I forgot he already voted! Well shit!

Clearly, so did I.

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Re: Day 1: A is for Anti-Establishment

Postby The Fairy Catmother » 25 Aug 2017, 02:11:27

Doesn't it matter that JRS already voted as well?
Oh wait, that vote didn't count. Or did it? Shit. I have to go look back.

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Re: Day 1: A is for Anti-Establishment

Postby The Fairy Catmother » 25 Aug 2017, 02:12:12

Right, never mind. Zark was allowed to vote. So JRS did not go yet.

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Re: Day 1: A is for Anti-Establishment

Postby Simple_Simon » 25 Aug 2017, 07:51:41

I was seriously considering a self sacrifice until I reread the thread and saw that Aldax posted a total of one time in the thread. That doesn't prove much, but I think the possibility that he's a quiet wolf is higher than the possibility he's one of our human specials. That, and the fact that having more active players is helpful.


I too have been quiet, but I'm no wolf. In fact I'm kinda kicking myself for my vote on rekard, why oh why do I always blindly trust him. :flail:

From what I can see it's going to be impossible to figure out who is who. Say rekard and I are wolves, that would be a pretty bold move but something we'd both do. Of course if he's a wolf he'd lean on me to vote his direction knowing there's a high likelyhood I will. That would make DoM my current suspect, and going through the thread he's the first to start talkin' strategy and I always look at those people first.

Failing that Ravebomb is suspect ...

RaveBomb wrote:I feel that Simon is an excellent pick for and innocent.

You know who else is? I am. I am 100% not a wolf. Nope. I even had my K9 teeth removed at a young age.


Since when the hell am I a good pick for innocent? I'm a great doctor, pilot, or pidgeon more so than innocent anytime and every time.
For what it's worth, though, his talking to himself is awfully entertaining.-sphen
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he is a master bullshitter so he could just take things out of his own ass or whatever comes from his mind to argue.-Rekard

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Re: Day 1: A is for Anti-Establishment

Postby sphenodont » 25 Aug 2017, 07:54:27

The GM says this:


Here are rulings and requests.


This is a situation I hadn't forseen, which in retrospect, I really should have.

In the event that someone has to vote and they are among the last two unvoted players, they have a choice: They can vote themselves innocent, vote the other player innocent, or request a coin flip.

In the future, let's not have these kinds of situations by actually considering why and how we're voting, and explaining why, and realizing that our votes will put us into rule-bending situations.

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Re: Day 1: A is for Anti-Establishment

Postby Jrsthethird » 25 Aug 2017, 09:24:08

That does it then. Any last words, Aldax?

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Re: Day 1: A is for Anti-Establishment

Postby Jrsthethird » 25 Aug 2017, 13:42:51

#Vote for: jrsthethird

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Re: Day 1: A is for Anti-Establishment

Postby sphenodont » 25 Aug 2017, 13:48:44

Day is over. Let me wrap things up.


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