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Shaka, when the walls fell

Postby Iron Clad Burrito » 07 Oct 2013, 21:40:01

Make a damned dead thread already :p

Proposed title: Shaka, when the walls fell

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Re: Full Roles

Postby Omega » 07 Oct 2013, 21:53:53

How did you get here.

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Re: Shaka, when the walls fell

Postby Omega » 07 Oct 2013, 23:28:39

And we're off... I'm travelling today and tomorrow so its a bit tough to do from a hotel room, but we'll make the best of it.

Day 2 will see the introduction of the Leader's council.

Day 3 will see the Secret Agents learn of their win conditions.

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Re: Shaka, when the walls fell

Postby Omega » 07 Oct 2013, 23:33:19

7-Zark-7, Ionitor, Aldax, Necklessone, and ICB, thank you for confirming your outage, and I'll be killing you tomorrow.

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Re: Shaka, when the walls fell

Postby 7-zark-7 » 08 Oct 2013, 19:58:12

Omega wrote:7-Zark-7, Ionitor, Aldax, Necklessone, and ICB, thank you for confirming your outage, and I'll be killing you tomorrow.


I feed bad I didn't get you anything...

More (death) in a bit,

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Re: Shaka, when the walls fell

Postby Omega » 08 Oct 2013, 21:06:21

I'm so excited to be back home and able to manage this from a laptop!

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Re: Shaka, when the walls fell

Postby RaveBomb » 09 Oct 2013, 07:21:45

One regret: I wish I had the full fake-text of my power, to ham it up a touch more.

Still... Good times. :flail:
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Re: Shaka, when the walls fell

Postby Omega » 09 Oct 2013, 08:57:41

RaveBomb wrote:One regret: I wish I had the full fake-text of my power, to ham it up a touch more.

Still... Good times. :flail:


Sorry about that. It occured to me though, we do have one psuedo-zombie power, so I need to create another dead board!

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Re: Shaka, when the walls fell

Postby Iron Clad Burrito » 09 Oct 2013, 21:00:42

Hmmm. Forum Account should be renamed to Computer. Either temp or perm. Thoughts?

[e] Eh. I'm doing it. If you disagree, please un-do it. :)

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Re: Shaka, when the walls fell

Postby Omega » 10 Oct 2013, 21:41:22

Okaros' references are cracking me up.

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Re: Shaka, when the walls fell

Postby Omega » 10 Oct 2013, 21:42:11

Iron Clad Burrito wrote:Hmmm. Forum Account should be renamed to Computer. Either temp or perm. Thoughts?

[e] Eh. I'm doing it. If you disagree, please un-do it. :)


At least for the duration of the game, I like it.

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Re: Shaka, when the walls fell

Postby Omega » 11 Oct 2013, 09:50:37

My goodness, I re-read some of these role PMs, holy typos batman.

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Re: Shaka, when the walls fell

Postby Iron Clad Burrito » 11 Oct 2013, 12:30:13

Omega wrote:My goodness, I re-read some of these role PMs, holy typos batman.


Scotch is a hell of a drug. :)

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Re: Shaka, when the walls fell

Postby Iron Clad Burrito » 11 Oct 2013, 12:35:53

Subject: Night 3

Ozymandias wrote:
Omega wrote:Ozy, technically, you are the GM of the NEXT game...

Timelines and all that... :D

heh.

btw, if no one else has any objections to the 5 PM PDT deadline, then I'm fine with it.

I guess it's possible that we're the only two West Coasters?


You, Omega, and Augen now. And JokerFish, if he ever returns to us.

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Re: Shaka, when the walls fell

Postby Omega » 11 Oct 2013, 14:00:17

So for those watching along at home, our currently subplots are

0) the Bord (but no one is voting for twdog, neutering that power)
1) Spies hunting spies
2) Macet/Garak
3) Prinn/Bajoran
4) Captain/Vreenak
5) Darvin/Captain

On Day 5, everyone will be told to hunt the spies

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Re: Shaka, when the walls fell

Postby Omega » 12 Oct 2013, 18:59:41

Notes for later

The battle will be best of 7. Having a weapon will automatically win 1 round. (Maybe craps style?)

Tomorrow's proposal for the council,
- all teams randomly get 1 player upgraded
Or
- the lynchee's team gets a team power up

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Re: Shaka, when the walls fell

Postby Iron Clad Burrito » 12 Oct 2013, 22:51:14

It'll be unanimous for item A. I can't imagine anyone actually going for B, except MAYBE the Cardassians because Ozy is crafty that way. But the Federation would never go for B in their current situation.

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Re: Shaka, when the walls fell

Postby Admetus » 13 Oct 2013, 17:40:32

Heyyo. I guess this is the fully-dead thread?

Only one note so far. I see in limbo some surprise that San was killed by the Klingon maul. We didn't discuss it (with the forum locked), but I can see why Furin did that. San had the most connections on his "not-on-same-team" map. It was the most information we could get out of one kill.

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Re: Shaka, when the walls fell

Postby Admetus » 13 Oct 2013, 18:00:10

Skimming through the full roles thread.

Ensign Macha Hernandez has the power to ignore vote manipulations, seems somewhat redundant with the Federation team power? Is there some case where the team power would become inactive? That power will probably look suspicious when it comes time to hunt for the spy.

The Comm Officer here is probably grossly overpowered.

Agreed.

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Re: Shaka, when the walls fell

Postby Omega » 13 Oct 2013, 18:22:13

Well, all of the powers have powerups contemplated (actually today's council vote) and vote manipulations will be MUCH more prevalent.

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Re: Shaka, when the walls fell

Postby Omega » 13 Oct 2013, 19:31:54

So here's the beast calculations.

Code: Select all

Round   Player   Beast   
1   1           0.743898848   TRUE       1-0
2   0.151436899   0.463878163   FALSE      1-1
3   0.650081218   0.419090262   TRUE       2-1
4   0.473943049   0.962359595   FALSE      2-2
5   0.434341711   0.417505015   TRUE       3-2
6   0.293691485   0.666060731   FALSE      3-3
7   0.737904665   0.34867789   TRUE       4-3

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Re: Shaka, when the walls fell

Postby Omega » 13 Oct 2013, 21:26:06

The Weapon True/False gave an instant win in round 1, mean the player only had to win 3/6 as opposed to 4/7.

Round 5 was really the only close one.

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Re: Shaka, when the walls fell

Postby Omega » 13 Oct 2013, 21:48:04

By the way, in case these were missed, the game is happening one a rock near The Neutral Zone which was episode 2x16 of TNG which introduced the Borg and Q was an integral part.

I did try to foreshadow the Borg, I was just hoping that there would BE more Borg.

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Re: Shaka, when the walls fell

Postby Omega » 13 Oct 2013, 22:02:14

Iron Clad Burrito wrote:It'll be unanimous for item A. I can't imagine anyone actually going for B, except MAYBE the Cardassians because Ozy is crafty that way. But the Federation would never go for B in their current situation.


I guess the only thing I would say is that by going for A, you know your opponents are getting stronger, all of them. Whereas, only one opponent team would get a power up...

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Re: Shaka, when the walls fell

Postby Omega » 13 Oct 2013, 23:07:17

And now, welcome Wasabi.

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Re: Shaka, when the walls fell

Postby Admetus » 13 Oct 2013, 23:08:42

Subject: Ozy's Best Guesses

rekard wrote:Hah! I called it on Admetus. He probably is the spokesperson too? Wouldn't surprise me if he was with Hellheart.

Feels cool getting a guess right.

LoL. Complete conjecture, I had nothing to do with the council or anything said there. We weren't even able to talk to each other that day. Playing with Visigoth was all FurinMirado. Now who's pulling wildly wrong theories out of nowhere?

But looking up thread from there, I was able to make you guys think that only one of Wasabi and I could be Klingon. I wonder how long that mistake will stick. ;)

Pre-post edit:
Oh shit. I guess not long at all.

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Re: Shaka, when the walls fell

Postby Admetus » 13 Oct 2013, 23:40:13

Subject: Night 3

Mortus wrote:
Admetus wrote:So, ya, I put that vote on MEM. Not a lot of follow through on your end, though, right? The vote is kind of meaningless without pressure, it doesn't tell you anything. Frown. Next time you have a request, let's do it a bit different. You trade the info or support first, then I'll give you your quid pro quo. I promise discretion.


I almost wish I could respond to him saying "I told you to PM me back so we could coordinate you goober". :P

What? I responded within minutes of receiving the message, by putting my vote on MEM. Sending you a PM to tell you I'd vote for a person would have been a silly waste. You're lucky I sent anything back at all!

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Re: Shaka, when the walls fell

Postby Omega » 14 Oct 2013, 09:53:24

Hellheart wrote:This is NOT a reply to the Anonymous Note. I will reply to that later, after some thought.

The Ozy message is either genuine or from Ozy's faction - I think it's too difficult to use my response to peg my affiliation as a 3rd party. I look Romulan or Klingon, but I could theoretically be in any of the 4 factions. I plan to respond positively without committing. I can use the Borg suspicions to reduce any potential backlash.

I'm pretty sure that CAD would've offed me had he won. I expected more players to vote yesterday, and was forced to improvise when this ended up not being the case. I am glad that rekard did not win the coin toss. He wouldn't have targeted me, but he's playing to win and I'm having serious trouble finding Cardassians.

Update: I see that AVS targeted Wasabi. I'm glad I made the correct decision...but I had pegged Wasabi as Federation. Admetus' late switch to Wasabi on Day 2 totally had me fooled, well done there.

Target Considerations: I really want to even the teams out, but I can't peg Cardassians at all right now. I'm leaning towards taking a slight risk and going rekard ---> Blindsniper/Ryvvn. I may swap those if it looks like rekard is going to get a GA.

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Assuming the Borg are not affiliated with a team, that leaves us with at least 4 players that are not affiliated with a team. At least 2 teams have only 4 people.

The list of 5 Romulans is set in stone. Okaros is definitely Romulan. If there's only 4 Romulans, then DOM is the tricksy one.
rekard is a Cardassian

Affiliation Reads:
AVS is definitely not Klingon. I can't see her as Cardassian after rekard voted for himself, but it's possible.
CAD is not Federation
Dferr is a wildcard because his votes for Ozy mean nothing.
FurinMirado is a wildcard that probably needs to die soon. He's least likely to be a Cardassian.
Griffypoo is Klingon or Sociopath
Mortus is not Federation.
Ozy is likely not Klingon. He's most likely a Cardassian or Sociopath.
Sphenodont's playing like a RL Sociopath, so what the hell he's a Sociopath
Visigoth is likely not Klingon.

Potential Affiliations
Federation: AVS, Dferr, Furin, Ozy, Visi
Klingon: CAD, Dferr, Furin, Griffy, Mortus
Cardassian: Everybody but Griffypoo
Most Likely Sociopaths: Sphenodont, CAD, Mortus, Furin, Dferr, Ozy

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Re: Shaka, when the walls fell

Postby Admetus » 14 Oct 2013, 10:05:29

Has he forgotten about Romulans? I'm not sure he has the number of teams correct.

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Re: Shaka, when the walls fell

Postby Omega » 14 Oct 2013, 10:21:59

He says above that his list of Romulus is set in stone.

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Re: Shaka, when the walls fell

Postby Admetus » 14 Oct 2013, 10:28:19

Oh, yes he has stuff about Romulans earlier. I fixated on "at least two teams have 4 people." Not sure why that is an assumption.

One of these days I'll have to learn how to read.

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Re: Shaka, when the walls fell

Postby Omega » 14 Oct 2013, 10:35:34

No rush :)

Wasabi is perma-dead too, hopefully he'll join us soon.

I am loving Hellheart's HK-47 RP.

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Re: Shaka, when the walls fell

Postby Admetus » 14 Oct 2013, 10:45:50

Omega, can you post the unaligned/sociopath roles in the role thread? Also it would help me keep up if the player names were in there. For instance I guess Ozy is the complicated Cardassian, but I'm not sure since he's using a name that isn't on the list. (I think.)

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Re: Shaka, when the walls fell

Postby Omega » 14 Oct 2013, 10:55:36

Oh, sure.

Ozy is a Cardassian, he's Garak, but has a cover ID because he's dancing with Gul Macet.

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Re: Shaka, when the walls fell

Postby Admetus » 14 Oct 2013, 11:09:57

Yah, and Rekard just tipped that to him. I guess after seeing some other cross-faction targets, he assumed Garak had taken refuge in the Federation, or was a sociopath. I'm having a hard time imagining how Rekard will catch him now.

Thanks for the update on the roles!

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Re: Shaka, when the walls fell

Postby Admetus » 14 Oct 2013, 11:35:13

I guess there's no external sociopath night kill mechanic, just the role upgrade?

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Postby Omega » 14 Oct 2013, 11:39:37

The night kill will eventually cycle to them.

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Re: Shaka, when the walls fell

Postby Admetus » 14 Oct 2013, 13:22:57

Hm. Who killed MEM again? Was that Hellheart? The night power thread only goes up to Night 2 out of 4.

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Re: Shaka, when the walls fell

Postby Omega » 14 Oct 2013, 14:10:14

Yeah. MEM lost two 50/50 checks.

Rand() was not his friend.

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Re: Shaka, when the walls fell

Postby Iron Clad Burrito » 14 Oct 2013, 14:43:58

Sucks that sphen's been inactive. Ironically, I backed out of playing this one because I believed I'd have less free time than I currently do.

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Re: Shaka, when the walls fell

Postby Admetus » 14 Oct 2013, 16:59:14

Subject: Night 5

DastardlyOldMan wrote:Put a silence order in on blindsniper -> rekard, FYI. Let's see if we can screw with the Cardassians a bit today (assuming I survive the lynch - if Griffypoo gets on in ~5 minutes, I'm in a coin-flip).

Oh hell yes. Let's see how the Cardassians operate without coordination.

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Re: Shaka, when the walls fell

Postby Omega » 14 Oct 2013, 17:21:22

Welcome Ryvvn, this time, you're dead dead.

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Re: Shaka, when the walls fell

Postby Omega » 14 Oct 2013, 17:57:31

Tapestry was an awesome ep.

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Re: Shaka, when the walls fell

Postby Omega » 14 Oct 2013, 18:11:27

The spy game may need a bit of re-working.

I can't believe none of them have died yet. :(

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Re: Shaka, when the walls fell

Postby Admetus » 14 Oct 2013, 20:08:26

Subject: Night 6

Omega wrote:You know the drill.

You do not have a night kill. In the absence of an election last night, I treated that as NO MAUL.

Oh noes! Things are falling apart in Klingonland. Also just a fun note, I had absolutely no idea that's how you spelled "Kronos" before this game.

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Re: Shaka, when the walls fell

Postby Admetus » 14 Oct 2013, 21:20:37

Subject: Night 6

Okaros wrote:I'm sure the dead thread is either laughing/groaning (sorry, MEM!) or cheering at me at this point. Damn these binary decision gates. :flail: :lol:

Well, shrug. You're right that there must have been another reason, and it can't be all good for you that someone resurrected your teammate. You're wrong that he was complicit. DOM's advice on moderation is usually right, can't be too confrontational. Don't attribute to malice what can be easily explained as GM capriciousness, etc.

There are really only two possibilities in this case, I think. Either resurrection is the handicapping side-effect of some amazing power that needs huge amounts of counterbalance, or it's a Trojan horse. I mean, you know there's a person with resurrection power. Other races with less information might also consider the possibility that it's just "how the game works." But the Romulans should know better. Of course commenting about this in the dead thread is kind of redundant, you'll probably read all about the effects long before you even get to this, so the question will have been quite settled.

I wonder if the Romulan representative will warn the Federation about San, or if they'll just let it happen unchecked.



And I'm so excited to see what comes of the suppression of the Cardassian forum while all of this is going on. ;)

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Re: Shaka, when the walls fell

Postby Omega » 14 Oct 2013, 21:28:35

I love how everyone believe's Ozy to be a Sociopath.

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Re: Shaka, when the walls fell

Postby Admetus » 14 Oct 2013, 21:46:06

The Romulans have some evidence about it. I think any seer having him identified as being on their team would be completely understood if they thought that was a power that a Sociopath should have.

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Re: Shaka, when the walls fell

Postby Omega » 14 Oct 2013, 21:49:10

Ah, that's true.

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Re: Shaka, when the walls fell

Postby Admetus » 14 Oct 2013, 21:52:10

Given Garak's complicated past and relationship with Cardassia, you have a couple of different ways to win.

1) Return triumphantly to Cardassia - Eliminate both the Gul and the Obsidian Order member (Other Cardassians neither hurt nor help you in this case)
2) Follow your father's path and reclaim the Obsidian Order as your own - Eliminate the other faction's spies, you do not necessarily have to eliminate the Obsidian Order member for this (After day 3 the other spies will know of each other and be working towards this goal)
3) Outlast everyone else (The Sociopath win condition)


And really can you say he isn't a sociopath? He's just an embedded one.


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