Day 8 - You Spin Me Right Round (And then Sledgehammer me)

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Re: Day 8 - You Spin Me Right Round (And then Sledgehammer m

Postby Wasabi » 24 Nov 2013, 14:02:12

I think 7z7 may be the scorned lover, and Meta4 might be one of the wolves. Not much time today, damn it.

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Re: Day 8 - You Spin Me Right Round (And then Sledgehammer m

Postby Ryvvn » 24 Nov 2013, 14:04:32

7-zark-7 wrote:I suspect our final two wolves are trying to fly under the radar as best they can.

This is why I'm not switching my vote to Furin, because being part of the death of eight humans is either pretty ballsy or just pure bad luck; I'm more inclined to believe it's the latter.

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Re: Day 8 - You Spin Me Right Round (And then Sledgehammer m

Postby Ryvvn » 24 Nov 2013, 14:04:56

Like Admetus before me, and his father before him, I have captured the page break; and I'm reposting my own two charts of data because I believe these facts are important.
(edit: damn, missed it! and also apparently was wrong on the count of when the page breaks occur)

[+] Full Chart w Colors
Day 1 wrote:(6) Visigoth -- DOM, Admetus, Omega, Mortus, Griffy, Hellheart
(4) Hellheart -- neckless, Okaros, twdog, Visigoth
(4) Mister E. Meat -- spheno, Zark, Rave, Ryvvn
(2) DastardlyOldMan -- Furin, rekard
(2) RaveBomb -- Meta4, Wasabi
(1) dferrantino -- ICB
(1) Ryvvn -- MEM
(1) Mortus -- dferr
DID NOT VOTE: Blindsniper, Rictus, Stigmata

Day 2 wrote:(6) DastardlyOldMan -- Furin, Admetus, Meta4, twdog, Omega, Okaros
(6) Okaros -- Hellheart, Wasabi, rekard, Zark, spheno, DOM
(3) rekard -- Stigmata, neckless, Mortus
(1) Rictus -- Rave
(1) twdog -- ICB
(1) Hellheart -- Ryvvn
DID NOT VOTE: Blindsniper, dferr, Griffy, MEM, Rictus

Day 3 wrote:(8) Okaros -- Meta4, dferr, twdog, Ryvvn, Rave, Hellheart, Stigmata, Mortus
(4) Iron Clad Burrito -- Zark, Rictus, MEM, Wasabi, Omega
(2) Mister E. Meat -- Furin, rekard
(1) Ryvvn -- spheno
(1) Stigmata -- Blind
(1) rekard -- ICB
(1) 7-zark-7 -- Admetus
DID NOT VOTE: Griffy, Okaros

Day 4 wrote:(8) rekard -- MEM, dferr, ICB, Zark, Blind, Rave, Omega, spheno
(4) Iron Clad Burrito -- rekard, Admetus, Wasabi, twdog
(3) Hellheart -- Rictus, Stigmata, Ryvvn
(2) Ryvvn -- Hellheart, Furin
(1) FurinMirado -- Griffy
(1) Griffypoo -- Meta4
DID NOT VOTE: Mortus

Day 5 wrote:(5) Omega -- spheno, Admetus, Hellheart, Zark, Furin
(4) FurinMirado -- MEM, Griffy, Rictus, Omega
(3) Hellheart -- Stigmata, Ryvvn, ICB
(1) 7-zark-7 -- Rave
(1) Griffypoo -- Meta4
DID NOT VOTE: Blind, dferr, Mortus, Wasabi

Day 6 wrote:(5) Griffypoo -- Furin, Meta4, Zark, Wasabi, spheno
(5) Meta4 -- Admetus, Hellheart, stigmata, MEM, Griffy
(4) FurinMirado -- ICB, Blind, Ryvvn, Rave
(1) Hellheart -- Mortus
DID NOT VOTE: dferr

Day 7 wrote:(5) Hellheart -- Wasabi, dferr, Ryvvn, stigmata, Furin
(4) Meta4 -- Admetus, MEM, Hellheart, Zark
(1) Ryvvn -- Meta4
DID NOT VOTE: Blind, spheno

[+] Dataful Numbers
Furin votes 0 days against known wolves, 5 days against known humans w/ 1 of 5 against known wolf-lover, 2 days against unknowns
  • 2 days against known humans were same, who did not have a wolf lover
  • Furin has been a party to killing eight humans
  • Furin has been a party to killing one wolf

Admetus votes 0 days against known wolves, 4 days against known humans w/ 1 of 4 against known wolf-lover, 3 days against unknowns
  • 2 days against unknowns were same
  • Admetus has been a party to killing five humans
  • Admetus has been a party to killing zero wolves

Meta4 votes 1 day against known wolves, 5 days against known humans w/ 0 of 5 against known wolf-lovers, 1 day against unknowns
  • 3 days against known humans were same, who did not have a wolf lover
  • Meta 4 has been a party to killing five humans
  • Meta4 has been a party to killing zero wolves

Zark votes 1 day against known wolves, 4 days against known humans w/ 1 of 4 against known wolf-lover, 2 days against unknowns
  • no repeat votes on any player
  • Zark has been a party to killing five humans
  • Zark has been a party to killing one wolf

Wasabi votes 1 day against known wolves, 5 days against known humans w/ 3 of 5 against known wolf-lover, 0 days against unknowns, and 1 day no vote
  • 2 days against known humans were same, who had a wolf lover
  • Wasabi has been a party to killing four humans
  • Wasabi has been a party to killing one wolf

Ryvvn votes 0 days against known wolves, 5 days against known humans w/ 4 of 5 against known wolf-lover, 2 days against unknowns
  • 4 days against known humans were same, who had a wolf lover
  • Ryvvn has been a party to killing three humans
  • Ryvvn has been a party a party to killing one wolf

stigmata votes 1 day against known wolves, 4 day against known humans w/ 3 of 4 against known wolf-lover, 1 day against unknowns, and 1 day no vote
  • 3 days against known humans were same, who had a wolf lover
  • stigmata has been a party to killing three humans
  • stigmata has been a party to killing one wolf

MEM votes 1 day against known wolves, 1 day against known humans w/ 1 of 1 against known wolf-lover, 4 days against unknowns, and 1 day no vote
  • 2 days against unknowns were same
  • MEM has been a party to killing one human
  • MEM has been a party to killing one wolf

dferr votes 1 day against known wolves, 3 days against known humans w/ 1 of 3 against known wolf-lover, 0 days against unknowns, and 3 days no vote
  • no repeat votes on any player
  • dferr has been a party to killing four humans
  • dferr has been a party to killing two wolves

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Re: Day 8 - You Spin Me Right Round (And then Sledgehammer m

Postby 7-zark-7 » 24 Nov 2013, 14:12:09

Wasabi wrote:I think 7z7 may be the scorned lover, and Meta4 might be one of the wolves. Not much time today, damn it.


Somewhere the scorned lover is laughing at this heavily

New Hampshire?

possibly, possibly

More in a bit,

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Re: Day 8 - You Spin Me Right Round (And then Sledgehammer m

Postby FurinMirado » 24 Nov 2013, 14:17:31

Fine. Posting from phone to declare:

Meta4 is my Lover

So please try someone else if you don't want to lynch 2 Humans.

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Re: Day 8 - You Spin Me Right Round (And then Sledgehammer m

Postby Ryvvn » 24 Nov 2013, 14:21:28

FurinMirado wrote:So please try someone else if you don't want to lynch 2 Humans.

But everyone else seems convinced that the remaining wolves are each star-crossed lovers, so how can you be sure Meta4 is not one of them?

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Re: Day 8 - You Spin Me Right Round (And then Sledgehammer m

Postby FurinMirado » 24 Nov 2013, 15:11:22

Ryvvn wrote:
FurinMirado wrote:So please try someone else if you don't want to lynch 2 Humans.

But everyone else seems convinced that the remaining wolves are each star-crossed lovers, so how can you be sure Meta4 is not one of them?


Scenario 1:
Day: Don't lynch Meta4. Give someone else a shot, we have two wolves to find here. If we end up lynching the Scorned Lover then feel free to lynch Meta4 tomorrow. I won't stop you. Lynching the Scorned Lover today would buy us precious time so we can afford to lynch a Human tomorrow if we lynch the Scorned Lover today. But I do believe my partner when he says he's Human.

Night: The Scorned Lover targets Meta4 and myself, killing us both.

If Meta4 is a Wolf he dies to the Scorned Lover at night or by lynch the next day. If he's Human then he may still die to the Scorned Lover tonight but at least I gave you a better shot of lynching a Wolf today.

Scenario 2:
Day: Lynch Meta4. Lose 2 Humans.

Night: Scorned Lover takes a shot. If he successfully nails a Human/Human pair the Wolves win. Consider this:

Best Pairings for the Human Side:
1 Wolf/1 Human x2
1 Human/1 Human x2
Scorned Lover

Best Pairings for the Wolf Side:
1 Wolf/1 Wolf x1
1 Human/1 Human x3
Scorned Lover


I'm not saying my option is the best option but I'm making it available to you. Proceed as you see fit.

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Re: Day 8 - You Spin Me Right Round (And then Sledgehammer m

Postby Ryvvn » 24 Nov 2013, 15:38:19

There's always also the possibility that you and Meta4 are the two remaining wolves, not lynching him means killing two other humans and if the Scorned wants to take a shot at a different pair and hits two humans that also loses us the game. And you'd probably say, "Why would the Scorned do that when I've already given him a viable pair?!" to which I reply, "Let's ask Hellheart."

But I'm willing to listen to who you think we should lynch instead and why they make a better candidate than Meta4 while also not being able to provide the exact same reason as you for why we shouldn't lynch them and their lover whom I'm sure they'd declare is absolutely human as well....

Just because you are first to declare it does not make it true and when the next declares similar we are put in the same situation, except the Scorned is getting names of lovers.

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Re: Day 8 - You Spin Me Right Round (And then Sledgehammer m

Postby FurinMirado » 24 Nov 2013, 15:51:07

Ryvvn wrote:There's always also the possibility that you and Meta4 are the two remaining wolves,

If you really believe that, then I have nothing more to say. You're either a Wolf or playing poorly.

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Re: Day 8 - You Spin Me Right Round (And then Sledgehammer m

Postby stigmata » 24 Nov 2013, 15:51:59

I'm calling it for meta4 for the moment.

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Re: Day 8 - You Spin Me Right Round (And then Sledgehammer m

Postby Ryvvn » 24 Nov 2013, 15:54:00

FurinMirado wrote:
Ryvvn wrote:There's always also the possibility that you and Meta4 are the two remaining wolves,

If you really believe that, then I have nothing more to say. You're either a Wolf or playing poorly.

For suggesting it's a possibility?

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Re: Day 8 - You Spin Me Right Round (And then Sledgehammer m

Postby FurinMirado » 24 Nov 2013, 16:10:28

Ryvvn wrote:
FurinMirado wrote:
Ryvvn wrote:There's always also the possibility that you and Meta4 are the two remaining wolves,

If you really believe that, then I have nothing more to say. You're either a Wolf or playing poorly.

For suggesting it's a possibility?

For pushing it like it's more than just a possibility.

And then for acting all innocent like you were only suggesting it as a mere possibility.


With Stigmata that's a runaway bandwagon. I will cross my fingers that the Scorned Lover doesn't take out a Human/Human pair. Hopefully all of the analysis I have offered today will be of some use to the actual Humans when I'm gone.

I'll keep an eye on the thread in case anyone decides to switch. But I have nothing more to add.

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Re: Day 8 - You Spin Me Right Round (And then Sledgehammer m

Postby Admetus » 24 Nov 2013, 16:25:58

This weekend I've been busy with rehearsal and concert, so I have done little to no analysis.

For most of the game I've chosen right on the little things, and wrong on the bigger ones. Sorry. Right now I'd be relatively confident Furin is human, but I must have missed the part where Meta4 was cleared. Can you remind me?

Also, people decided to lynch Hell heart rather than let the sociopath get him. Why would you think that would help us find a wolf? I was largely ignored when arguing to pick a wolf candidate over raw body count.

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Re: Day 8 - You Spin Me Right Round (And then Sledgehammer m

Postby Ryvvn » 24 Nov 2013, 16:26:08

FurinMirado wrote:
Ryvvn wrote:
FurinMirado wrote:
Ryvvn wrote:There's always also the possibility that you and Meta4 are the two remaining wolves,

If you really believe that, then I have nothing more to say. You're either a Wolf or playing poorly.

For suggesting it's a possibility?

For pushing it like it's more than just a possibility.

And then for acting all innocent like you were only suggesting it as a mere possibility.

Actually the rest of that post was an entirely separate point from my mention of that possibility, but that you choose to read the entire thing that way has me feeling fine about leaving my vote where it is.

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Re: Day 8 - You Spin Me Right Round (And then Sledgehammer m

Postby Mister E. Meat » 24 Nov 2013, 16:57:13

Ok, I'm pretty sure that furin is telling the truth. That doesn't mean that meta4 isn't a wolf - as we saw, sphenodont kept that info from hellheart, but in the case, I'm more inclined to believe it. I'll switch my vote to my backup, wasabi and I hope that others will too.

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Re: Day 8 - You Spin Me Right Round (And then Sledgehammer m

Postby Admetus » 24 Nov 2013, 16:58:14

I vote for Meta4. If you're a wolf, Furin, I'd be quite surprised. But I don't think Meta4 is as human as you think he is. For instance, the Hellheart vs Meta4 wagons will probably show some wolves on Hellheart.

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Re: Day 8 - You Spin Me Right Round (And then Sledgehammer m

Postby Admetus » 24 Nov 2013, 16:59:10

Can you explain Wasabi, MEM? I don't think pushing for a reveal-to-lynch-sociopath is wolfy, and I'm not sure what else there was on him.

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Re: Day 8 - You Spin Me Right Round (And then Sledgehammer m

Postby Mister E. Meat » 24 Nov 2013, 17:01:17

I'm not sure why 7z7 thinks that sphen not voting meta4 was because he was trying to buy 1 more day
7z7 wrote:There's obvious backstabbing between wolf Rekard and wolf lover ICB. And that bought us our first two wolves. With Hellhart leading the lynch on a regular basis, Sphenodont proved he was active in the last minutes of the day. He ~could~ have bought himself another day, but our Scorned lover was still out there & could have ended him either way.


You are the Scorned Lover. Once every day, you can privately message me with the names of two players. If those players are lovers, they will die that night. If you kill the Bigamist and one of his lovers while his other lover is still alive, his two lovers shall instead become lovers with each other. You win a personal victory and leave the game if you successfully use this ability two times. You lose if either team achieves a victory before this occurs. Your Victory does not end the game for the other players.

You care not for Humans or Wolves.

Emph added. Looks like had he voted meta4 it would have given him twdog as a lover. He still might have died because either meta4 is a wolf or twdog was up for WOG?

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Re: Day 8 - You Spin Me Right Round (And then Sledgehammer m

Postby Clearasday » 24 Nov 2013, 17:01:31

The Axe comes down.
THERE IS NO JUSTICE, THERE IS JUST CLEARASDAY.


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