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Re: Fire the Guy in Marketing

Postby Okaros » 27 Mar 2014, 16:39:55

Hrm. Curious about the mauls on PJ.

The alternate wagon on spheno is also curious. I think it's less anti-wolf-hunter and more "people looking to see what happens with rekard vs. Zark" or "people parking their votes for a late switch elsewhere". Lots of people holding their breath atm I think.
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Re: Fire the Guy in Marketing

Postby Hellheart » 27 Mar 2014, 16:58:17

Okaros wrote:Hrm. Curious about the mauls on PJ.

The alternate wagon on spheno is also curious. I think it's less anti-wolf-hunter and more "people looking to see what happens with rekard vs. Zark" or "people parking their votes for a late switch elsewhere". Lots of people holding their breath atm I think.

(( It just seemed odd for him to get 2 votes that early, and it came before the whole Zark-rekard thing unless Zark spent most of the morning PM'ing people. But you're right in that it may not have been part of any sort of plan.

I find it amusing that Aldax screwing up his color code AGAIN gives me the in-character reason I need to vote for rekard. ))

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Re: Fire the Guy in Marketing

Postby Okaros » 27 Mar 2014, 17:00:56

Zark definitely spent most of the morning PM'ing people. I was the recipient of several! :lol:
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Re: Fire the Guy in Marketing

Postby Hellheart » 27 Mar 2014, 17:33:19

"I am altering the deal. Pray I don't alter it any further."

This voice modulator is like a toy for grown-ups! I got it at a science fiction convention. I call it the Make My Voice Sound Evil-inator.

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Re: Fire the Guy in Marketing

Postby Ryvvn » 27 Mar 2014, 17:44:11

Hellheart wrote:(( I find it amusing that Aldax screwing up his color code AGAIN gives me the in-character reason I need to vote for rekard. ))

Just a heads up, when I was catching up on things, I did notice that almost seemed like a vote on rekard from you there, but I don't think you bolded or colored so wasn't sure if you actually meant it to be a vote or not... or are you holding that vote post til closer to EoD?

Also, any thoughts on continued maul collab, Hellheart? I don't think Okaros was following us on that front.

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Re: Fire the Guy in Marketing

Postby Okaros » 27 Mar 2014, 17:48:23

I would rather not lie to you guys, so for now I prefer to keep my maul choices to myself. :)
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Re: Fire the Guy in Marketing

Postby Ryvvn » 27 Mar 2014, 17:52:53

Okaros wrote:I would rather not lie to you guys, so for now I prefer to keep my maul choices to myself. :)

Oh, I wasn't asking you to divulge, or even follow along, I just meant it so Hellheart knew I was specifically directing that question toward him and not the group as a whole, since I figured you went off on your own in that regard anyway.

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Re: Fire the Guy in Marketing

Postby Okaros » 27 Mar 2014, 17:56:26

I do promise to share if my maul choices become relevant. So far they have not.
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Re: Fire the Guy in Marketing

Postby Hellheart » 27 Mar 2014, 17:58:16

Ryvvn wrote:
Hellheart wrote:(( I find it amusing that Aldax screwing up his color code AGAIN gives me the in-character reason I need to vote for rekard. ))

Just a heads up, when I was catching up on things, I did notice that almost seemed like a vote on rekard from you there, but I don't think you bolded or colored so wasn't sure if you actually meant it to be a vote or not... or are you holding that vote post til closer to EoD?

Also, any thoughts on continued maul collab, Hellheart? I don't think Okaros was following us on that front.

(( It wasn't a vote. I actually manufactured a vote reason for Zark earlier in that thread, but it's not a good enough reason to switch off of rekard ONTO Zark. It's theoretically possible that it ends up being between rekard and Zark, as Okaros pointed out, and if he makes the call to vote for Zark I want to be able to actually do that.

I'm virtually certain that Zark and DOM have cut the rest of the REALLY Evil Alliance out of the loop and switched to either PM's or another private board that they share. ))

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Okaros wrote:I would rather not lie to you guys, so for now I prefer to keep my maul choices to myself. :)

Oh, I wasn't asking you to divulge, or even follow along, I just meant it so Hellheart knew I was specifically directing that question toward him and not the group as a whole, since I figured you went off on your own in that regard anyway.

(( I was about to say, we almost certainly do not hold priority among Okaros' alliances...yet.

It's your call on the maul coordination front, I haven't even thought about maul possibilities but I have an in-character reason to maul Zark. There haven't been enough posts for me to find something else to latch on to up to this point. ))

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Re: Fire the Guy in Marketing

Postby Hellheart » 27 Mar 2014, 18:04:02

(( rekard's PM made me laugh. If somebody didn't know going in that Zark was going to PM everyone, and if they still didn't know after Day 1, rekard's PM isn't going to result in a flash of insight. ))

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Re: Fire the Guy in Marketing

Postby Ryvvn » 27 Mar 2014, 18:04:07

I'm assuming we're not allowed to self-maul? 8-)

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Re: Fire the Guy in Marketing

Postby Hellheart » 27 Mar 2014, 18:09:40

Ryvvn wrote:I'm assuming we're not allowed to self-maul? 8-)

(( That would be the easiest way to avoid resolving as dominant ever. Talk about an "oh shit" button. ))

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Re: Fire the Guy in Marketing

Postby Okaros » 27 Mar 2014, 18:11:43

I'm still trying to decide which one I want dead more. Zark isn't delivering on his end of the bargain yet and rekard is either scheming hard outside my field of view or is legitimately losing game-time/-focus to RL concerns.

Strangely enough, out of all of my alliances you two are probably my most serious. The lack of coordination so far is deliberate: If I'm not coordinating with you two I don't have to worry that much about invalidating your mauls or steering your human/wolf percentages. :)

As we get into late-game and things become more serious I'll probably start spinning up the collaboration engine.
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Re: Fire the Guy in Marketing

Postby Ryvvn » 27 Mar 2014, 18:14:26

Okaros wrote:the collaboration engine.

the collaboration engine is the name of my broken social scene cover band

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Re: Fire the Guy in Marketing

Postby Okaros » 27 Mar 2014, 18:31:51

Hellheart wrote:(( rekard's PM made me laugh. If somebody didn't know going in that Zark was going to PM everyone, and if they still didn't know after Day 1, rekard's PM isn't going to result in a flash of insight. ))



Zark didn't PM *me*. I had to reach out to him. Future-Zark, y u no trust me? :| :lol:
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Re: Fire the Guy in Marketing

Postby Okaros » 27 Mar 2014, 18:42:44

Annnd Zark is trying to back out of the deal. I think he may have wound up with cold feet from his "army", which makes me think he's less of a threat. Hmm.
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Re: Fire the Guy in Marketing

Postby Hellheart » 27 Mar 2014, 18:46:14

(( Lynching rekard over sphenodont is a no-brainer for me even if I had an in-character reason to vote for sphenodont. I had to craft my in-character maul/seer message first, but I'll cast the rekard vote in about 5 minutes. You two can worry about the sniping. ))

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Re: Fire the Guy in Marketing

Postby Hellheart » 27 Mar 2014, 18:47:37

7-zark-7 wrote:So I'm backing off Rekard. I believe him that he's trending human, which to be honest was what I was going for. I'm trending very high human, & am interested in staying there. Any thoughts for tonight?

More in a bit,

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Okaros wrote:Did your army forget to set its alarm clock? Or are they just sleeping off the effects of too much drinking last night? You should probably stop including bottles of whiskey with every dispatch if you want them to remain sober.

If this is all you can muster how I can trust your ability to deliver on your end in the future?


Based on conversations with Okaros (and Rekard's knowledge of our conversation), I suspect Okaros was trying to trend wolf. Debating about how to manage that.

I'd like to keep Sphenodont around, so thinking about MEM... thoughts?

More in a bit,

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Re: Fire the Guy in Marketing

Postby Okaros » 27 Mar 2014, 18:48:20

Ironically, I have it on good authority that rekard was actually trending wolf.
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Re: Fire the Guy in Marketing

Postby Hellheart » 27 Mar 2014, 18:50:00

(( Zark retracted his vote. We could triple-vote Zark if no other votes fall on sphenodont and, in the words of the almighty Day[9], "just go fucking kill him."

As I said, your call. My only real voting options today are rekard and Zark.

The funniest thing is it doesn't matter which way rekard is trending. He started with a high wolf chance, I think, and so he joined a wolf alliance. He'd still be in that wolf alliance even if he did start trending human. That changes absolutely nothing about him, so I don't know why Zark's making a big deal out of it. ))
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Re: Fire the Guy in Marketing

Postby Ryvvn » 27 Mar 2014, 18:51:58

Hellheart wrote:(( Zark retracted his vote. We could triple-vote Zark if no other votes fall on sphenodont and, in the words of the almighty Day[9], "just go fucking kill him."

As I said, you call. My only real voting options today are rekard and Zark.

The funniest thing is it doesn't matter which way rekard is trending. He started with a high wolf chance, I think, and so he joined a wolf alliance. He'd still be in that wolf alliance even if he did start trending human. That changes absolutely nothing about him, to be honest. ))

I'd personally prefer to kill zark over rekard, and I'm ready to snipe either direction

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Re: Fire the Guy in Marketing

Postby Okaros » 27 Mar 2014, 18:53:23

I'm game for Zark. Nobody backs out of a deal with Morden!
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Re: Fire the Guy in Marketing

Postby Hellheart » 27 Mar 2014, 18:54:04

(( It's a risk, since Zark's vote is still uncast and DOM is probably still hanging around. I can justify a vote for Zark right now, so I'm going to do that. ))

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Re: Fire the Guy in Marketing

Postby Ryvvn » 27 Mar 2014, 18:57:24

3 mins left, I think we need to snipe and just hope it sticks despite possible other impending votes!

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Re: Fire the Guy in Marketing

Postby Okaros » 27 Mar 2014, 18:59:10

More snipes incoming. Give yourself time to override the prompt.
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Re: Fire the Guy in Marketing

Postby Ryvvn » 27 Mar 2014, 19:01:01

wow, no votes from Admetus, Nitestorm, or Stig?

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Re: Fire the Guy in Marketing

Postby Hellheart » 27 Mar 2014, 19:03:54

7-zark-7 wrote:And Okaros is pissed. Rather glad we didn't invite him in for drinks:

Okaros wrote:Tsk. You make the deal then try to back out? I suppose you won't want to pay when I deliver what you requested then.

Why should I trust a future proposal from you if this is how you honor your bargains?


That PJ & Hellheart, do you have any fondness for Okaros? Not looking to act, just looking for Intel. Given he asked for my help killing DOM, I presume there's no love there.

My email box is busy. Standby

More in a bit,

7z7


7-zark-7 wrote:Okaros has more intel on my conversations than is like (there's a leak in my network it seems). I'm going onto MEM to try to spare Sphenodont, & thinking Okaros for maul.

Okaros Has got it in for DOM, & we may have to deal with that soon.

More in a bit,

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Hellheart wrote:(( I thought sphenodont was the one who was going after DOM, did I miss something there? But no, I have more fondness for Ryvvn than I have for Okaros right now. ))


(( All of that is completely true. I don't think anybody expects me to be working with you either, Ryvvn :lol: ))

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Re: Fire the Guy in Marketing

Postby Okaros » 27 Mar 2014, 19:05:04

Okaros wrote:More snipes incoming. Give yourself time to override the prompt.


Hahahah, god. This post nearly broke my snipe.

a) I forgot about the no more than one post every 30 seconds restriction.
b) Apparently, trying to post after those 30 seconds are up *WIPES OUT YOUR POST WINDOW*

Thus my poorly crafted snipe rather than the elegant image I had waiting.

So I sent what I was intending to post to Zark in PM instead:


Okaros wrote:Not even the devil gets to back out of a deal with Morden.

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Re: Fire the Guy in Marketing

Postby Hellheart » 27 Mar 2014, 19:06:58

(( Well, you got it off, and sphenodont sealed the deal. Surprised that PJ got the vote off on MEM, but Zark didn't vote MEM like he said he was going to...unless I missed it? ))

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Re: Fire the Guy in Marketing

Postby Okaros » 27 Mar 2014, 19:10:18

Also, with regards to DOM:

I don't actually have anything against him. I just wanted to break up that power bloc, and Zark's death does that nicely. I'll probably drop him a line once the day ticks over and I'm sure he hasn't been mauled by secret-Zark-alpha or something.


As far as I can see, Zark retracted and never re-voted. We may have blocked him with the snipe-spam.
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Re: Fire the Guy in Marketing

Postby Ryvvn » 27 Mar 2014, 19:12:49

Hellheart wrote:(( Well, you got it off, and sphenodont sealed the deal. Surprised that PJ got the vote off on MEM, but Zark didn't vote MEM like he said he was going to...unless I missed it? ))

No, I think zark saw the noose tightening and just didn't bother

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Re: Fire the Guy in Marketing

Postby Hellheart » 27 Mar 2014, 19:14:14

(( Don't hate me, Zark! Okaros made me do it, and I was too depressed to resist because Admetus hasn't responded to my PM! ))

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Re: Fire the Guy in Marketing

Postby Ryvvn » 27 Mar 2014, 19:16:46

Hellheart wrote:(( Don't hate me, Zark! Okaros made me do it, and I was too depressed to resist because Admetus hasn't responded to my PM! ))

To be fair, Zark kinda made Okaros make me make you do it(?)

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Re: Fire the Guy in Marketing

Postby Okaros » 27 Mar 2014, 19:20:04

Ryvvn wrote:
Hellheart wrote:(( Don't hate me, Zark! Okaros made me do it, and I was too depressed to resist because Admetus hasn't responded to my PM! ))

To be fair, Zark kinda made Okaros make me make you do it(?)


This is true. If Zark hadn't backed out of the deal I would have followed through on it.

So really, Zark lynched himself. 8-)
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Re: Fire the Guy in Marketing

Postby Okaros » 27 Mar 2014, 19:25:22

It's almost disappointing that Zark flipped human. The indeterminate Alpha continues his reign of terror and the hypothetical death toll rises.
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Re: Fire the Guy in Marketing

Postby Ryvvn » 27 Mar 2014, 19:28:59

Okaros wrote:It's almost disappointing that Zark flipped human. The indeterminate Alpha continues his reign of terror and the hypothetical death toll rises.

I wonder with how many people Zark raised his concerns about you?

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Re: Fire the Guy in Marketing

Postby Okaros » 27 Mar 2014, 20:01:43

Yeah, DOM's not particularly happy with me at the moment. I can probably count on him lynching me whenever I'm under threat. Ah well. Calculated risk from using him with Zark.
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Re: Fire the Guy in Marketing

Postby Hellheart » 27 Mar 2014, 22:28:29

(( Admetus responded, said he had shed a lot of wolf chance and that he was looking to lynch players that hadn't invalidated themselves as alphas. He said that he thought that someone in the running yesterday probably stirred up resistance to avoid resolving as alpha.

Generally speaking, sharing limited information helps to ensure an ongoing working relationship with Admetus. I ruled out sphenodont, said that rekard could easily still be in alpha danger, said that Zark's lynch had nothing to do with quantum or anyone else in the running, and said that Ryvvn and That PJ had recent death percentage jumps that could be from alliances looking to invalidate themselves in the near future.

Reasons for the first two should be obvious - if there's a test in there it would involve sphenodont, and I'm virtually certain that rekard is involved with pro-wolf alliances - at least one of which wants to kill Ryvvn.

For the latter two, my vote on Zark there kind of implicates me as well so I wanted to make it seem like I was in an alliance with sphenodont - who was the subject of two whole paragraphs at the start of my message - and only in PM contact with one or both of you. And the last one is just to confuse the shit out of anyone trying to chart alliances rather than anything more serious :lol: ))
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Re: Fire the Guy in Marketing

Postby Ryvvn » 27 Mar 2014, 22:33:14

Hellheart wrote:(( and said that Ryvvn and That PJ had recent death percentage jumps that could be from alliances looking to invalidate themselves in the near future. ))

Speaking of which, I had another jump of roughly equal measure (though the largest so far) last night

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Re: Fire the Guy in Marketing

Postby Hellheart » 27 Mar 2014, 22:38:57

Ryvvn wrote:
Hellheart wrote:(( and said that Ryvvn and That PJ had recent death percentage jumps that could be from alliances looking to invalidate themselves in the near future. ))

Speaking of which, I had another jump of roughly equal measure (though the largest so far) last night

(( The best thing about sharing that, besides fucking with the alliance charting, is that an attempt to lynch you in the next couple days could easily backfire if Admetus decides there's a likely alpha in there and brings in a voting bloc that we can join forces with to save you. ))

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Re: Fire the Guy in Marketing

Postby Ryvvn » 27 Mar 2014, 22:43:55

I get the feeling we might have to worry about saving Okaros first... which might mean me saving him and you trying to keep your hands clean.

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Re: Fire the Guy in Marketing

Postby Okaros » 27 Mar 2014, 22:55:16

Mm. With that snipe-pile there's going to be a lot of assumptions about the three of us and spheno being an alliance.

Maybe we should try to make that an actual thing?

(With a separate subforum, of course, so we can continue to talk about spheno behind his back here ;) )
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Re: Fire the Guy in Marketing

Postby Hellheart » 27 Mar 2014, 23:25:48

Okaros wrote:Mm. With that snipe-pile there's going to be a lot of assumptions about the three of us and spheno being an alliance.

Maybe we should try to make that an actual thing?

(With a separate subforum, of course, so we can continue to talk about spheno behind his back here ;) )

(( Whether I'm included in that speculation depends on what conclusions Admetus reaches and shares. You two have almost certainly been lumped together for awhile. I highly suspect that by now I've been paired with sphenodont by a number of people - if you look at Day 3, where I voted DOM with him late, and now on Day 4 I just happen to vote for the guy that eventually gets pushed way above him to get lynched instead - but with you two, not so much. The problem with linking all 4 of us is that there's no reason for us to go for Zark instead of rekard if the only reason for those votes was to save sphenodont.

Zark's alliance likely still has no idea that I'm linked to you guys. If anything, they're more likely to think I'm working with rekard or sphenodont, but they might actually buy my reasons for voting for Zark when I did (it was Zark or rekard and I didn't want to push rekard back into the lead).

Reaching out to sphenodont is a phenomenal idea because if revenge is coming, it will definitely come at Okaros from DOM's group. An at least temporary alliance with sphendont and his group would be immensely helpful - I doubt sphenodont's stance towards DOM has changed in a day, and word probably went out that Okaros wanted to take out DOM. It's a natural move at this point. ))
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Re: Fire the Guy in Marketing

Postby Okaros » 27 Mar 2014, 23:40:18

I'm probably going to be busier than normal during the work day today. Can you do the initial outreach Hellheart? Maybe a four-way PM?
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Re: Fire the Guy in Marketing

Postby Hellheart » 27 Mar 2014, 23:44:38

Okaros wrote:I'm probably going to be busier than normal during the work day today. Can you do the initial outreach Hellheart? Maybe a four-way PM?

(( I'll start with a one-way PM, and bring in you two if it works out. I think that's the better approach. But yeah, I'll do that now. ))

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Re: Fire the Guy in Marketing

Postby Ryvvn » 27 Mar 2014, 23:46:00

Perhaps you should be the one to reach out to him via PM, Hellheart; just include Okaros and I on the cc and say pretty much what you just said, "Okaros and Ryvvn are clearly linked, people are going to start considering I'm linked with you spheno; we might all be looking tasty to DOM's group and I think our best bet to be prepared for retaliation is together."

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Re: Fire the Guy in Marketing

Postby Hellheart » 28 Mar 2014, 00:00:12

(( Oh, yeah, CC. Should've thought of that. I'll just quote it instead; I can probably edit this before it's read if you think I should change something here. ))

(( I'm hearing that the swell of votes on Zark at the end of Day 4 did not sit well with DOM at all. There's going to be a lot of people that connect the two of us with Ryvvn and Okaros, and clearly at least one alliance wanted you dead before any of this happened.

It makes a hell of a lot of sense for the four of us to band together for at least awhile, in the interest of both self-preservation and opposing the major pro-wolf alliances. It's your call since it looks like you're in way more danger right now than I am. ))

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Re: Fire the Guy in Marketing

Postby Hellheart » 28 Mar 2014, 00:04:24

(( I wasn't guessing at DOM's reaction either. ))

DastardlyOldMan wrote:God, this is why I hate PM games. Dead silence for 23:30, and then last minute "Oh, I don't have time to bold my vote because I want to snipe" and missed votes and such.

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Re: Fire the Guy in Marketing

Postby Ryvvn » 28 Mar 2014, 00:36:24

Hellheart wrote:(( Oh, yeah, CC. Should've thought of that. I'll just quote it instead; I can probably edit this before it's read if you think I should change something here. ))

(( I'm hearing that the swell of votes on Zark at the end of Day 4 did not sit well with DOM at all. There's going to be a lot of people that connect the two of us with Ryvvn and Okaros, and clearly at least one alliance wanted you dead before any of this happened.

It makes a hell of a lot of sense for the four of us to band together for at least awhile, in the interest of both self-preservation and opposing the major pro-wolf alliances. It's your call since it looks like you're in way more danger right now than I am. ))

I think you need to throw in a little RP to match the OOC stuff :)

Also, if you think spheno might inquire as to your source for the first sentence, you may just want to beat him to the punch and include something more substantial?

Last line's a little over-confident, so perfect Hellheart ;)

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Re: Fire the Guy in Marketing

Postby Hellheart » 28 Mar 2014, 01:09:47

Ryvvn wrote:
Hellheart wrote:(( Oh, yeah, CC. Should've thought of that. I'll just quote it instead; I can probably edit this before it's read if you think I should change something here. ))

(( I'm hearing that the swell of votes on Zark at the end of Day 4 did not sit well with DOM at all. There's going to be a lot of people that connect the two of us with Ryvvn and Okaros, and clearly at least one alliance wanted you dead before any of this happened.

It makes a hell of a lot of sense for the four of us to band together for at least awhile, in the interest of both self-preservation and opposing the major pro-wolf alliances. It's your call since it looks like you're in way more danger right now than I am. ))

I think you need to throw in a little RP to match the OOC stuff :)

Also, if you think spheno might inquire as to your source for the first sentence, you may just want to beat him to the punch and include something more substantial?

Last line's a little over-confident, so perfect Hellheart ;)

(( Oh shush, I'm amazing at this game and I'm always right even when I'm wrong. So I'm definitely in way less danger than he is :lol:

Does this make more sense? I can't exactly tell him that I'm sitting in an alliance with DOM - that would never end well - but this makes a seamless mesh with what I said to Admetus earlier ))

(( I've been on-and-off talking to Ryvvn, and he said those snipe votes yesterday fell on Zark because he backed out of an agreement with Okaros where he would've helped them take out DOM today. There's going to be a lot of people that connect the two of us with Ryvvn and Okaros, and clearly at least one alliance wanted you dead before any of this happened.

It makes a hell of a lot of sense for the four of us to band together for at least awhile, in the interest of both self-preservation and opposing the major pro-wolf alliances. It's your call since it looks like you're in way more danger right now than I am. ))


(( As much as I'd like to add in-character stuff to that, this really isn't something that Doofenshmirtz would propose. He's the kind of person that just gets recruited into that sort of thing instead of taking the initiative himself. ))


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