Round 5: Pocket Change

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Re: Round 5: Pocket Change

Postby Admetus » 25 Apr 2014, 15:24:14

Ooh, how embarrassing. Don't let me interrupt.

:P

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Re: Round 5: Pocket Change

Postby That PJ » 25 Apr 2014, 15:24:15

((Admetus, impressive timing. :P))
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Re: Round 5: Pocket Change

Postby Okaros » 25 Apr 2014, 15:25:10

(( *lynches Admetus for interrupting* ;) ))
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Re: Round 5: Pocket Change

Postby RaveBomb » 25 Apr 2014, 15:25:46

There is no Vampire conspiracy here.

None AT ALL.

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Re: Round 5: Pocket Change

Postby RaveBomb » 25 Apr 2014, 15:27:00

GEEZZZUS MAN THE LADIES ARE TALKING!

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Re: Round 5: Pocket Change

Postby 7-zark-7 » 25 Apr 2014, 15:33:17

RB, you okay man? You seem a little... scattershot?

that was a technicolor rainbow of voting

So long as they're all in bold

True - fortune favors the bold, you know

Still, he's a handsome bugger, you have to give him that. Looks familiar too

More in a bit,

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Re: Round 5: Pocket Change

Postby Rictus » 25 Apr 2014, 15:39:15

Admetus wrote:Ooh, how embarrassing. Don't let me interrupt.

:P


... said the gentleman.

[+] old, old joke
Three Frenchmen were debating the meaning of "savoir-faire".

The first one says: "Well, when you are in bed with another man's wife, and he walks in... If he says 'Oops! Pardon me.' Then that is Savoir Faire."

They think on this a minute, and then the second one says: "Not quite, my friend. When you are in bed with another man's wife, and he walks in... If he says 'Oops! Pardon me, please continue.' Then that is Savoir Faire."

The first guy nods in agreement but the third guy speaks up: "Non! You are both wrong! When you are in bed with another man's wife, and he walks in... If he says 'Oops, Pardon me! Please continue.' and you CAN, that, my friends, is Savoir Faire."
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Re: Round 5: Pocket Change

Postby Smirker » 25 Apr 2014, 15:40:17

That PJ wrote:
Okaros wrote:(( I'm inclined to read Zark's failed snipe as human, honestly.

A Networker would know it wasn't needed: Even with vote manipulations humans were going to die either way, so hooray! They come out ahead.

It does make me wonder if he has a vote manipulation power though, since the snipe attempt makes much less sense otherwise. ))

Can't be powers-based. His powers were nullified last round.

Speaking of, so were Smirker's, and this is the second morning after he's been nullified that we haven't seen a graffiti message.

Indeed. Becaushe I'm a man of integrity, not shome vandalizer. I have reshponshibilitiesh, ya know?

I am shemi-amushed / inshulted that you think I'm a god-damn robot. My job may not be exshiting, but it'sh a good one. [[Besides, any group that would network me would be foolish to do so. They'd want people who have more than a miniscule chance of reaching the endgame.]]

I find the shpeculation on my voting (particularly on DOM who asked to be eliminated I thought?) to be pointleshsh at thish stage of the game. But, for as little ash it mattersh atm, I am not a robot. Overall, early votesh come down to who I'm comfortable with voting for. While it wash amushing for a time, I find lishening to my inshtinchs on early days to be more fortutitoush than relying the on the RNG (It hatesh me too much).

On a shidenote, thanksh for pointing out that the coinflip does protect from lynchsh; I wash thinking it'd just be convershion and night actionsh.


[[Reveiwing threa now more in detail - i just thought i'd comment on a couple of posts that caught my eye. ]]

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Re: Round 5: Pocket Change

Postby dferrantino » 25 Apr 2014, 15:41:13

Simon: thanks for that. Unfortunately it excludes a different possibility, that one of the twins is in the network.

That PJ, because I have to pick one of you.
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Re: Round 5: Pocket Change

Postby Hellheart » 25 Apr 2014, 15:45:14

Simple_Simon wrote:I have no idea why I am bothering but I'm going to try and be constructive while you railroad me.

You're certainly in the discussion, but you're hardly the consensus choice at this stage. Get over yourself! :P

Okaros wrote:Thank you for that post, Hellheart. It's the missing piece from your Smirker analysis. As you note, if Smirker's an original Networker his push of DOM to 4 right after you got pushed to 2 could be a panic reaction to save you or San (by triggering a counter-push on PJ to 4).

To be perfectly honest, I never considered that implication because I only skimmed over those votes well after they happened. And then I was too pissed off at getting votes while I was gone to look at how things actually played out that day.

So I'm glad you brought it up. It made me look back and see how things actually played out.

I'm not convinced the games we've seen so far have been player-triggered. Games have so far fallen on odd-numbered days, with the exception being Day One which is probably enough of a game all by itself. CAD's power explicitly mentions overriding GM games, so I'm currently inclined to think this coinflip game is a GM event. Unless someone wants to step forward and role-claim for it? :?: ))

Why would the GM have a game like this that could shaft the Network? I guess it makes sense as a sort of balancing mechanism because we haven't found someone from the Network yet, but I'm pretty sure it's statistically unlikely that we would've found one at this point, or at least before yesterday.

Two games do not a trend make. We have no way of knowing how many players have lynch vote-determining powers, and since those games are PM'd the night prior if CAD's role reveal is any indication, it would be trivial to come up with names for the game.

Having said that, since nobody's claiming the act we may as well assume it's GM-driven. I don't think it's a good idea to force any role reveal at this point, but I figured I would put it out there in case someone wanted to claim it.

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Re: Round 5: Pocket Change

Postby sphenodont » 25 Apr 2014, 15:45:41

dferrantino wrote:That PJ, because I have to pick one of you.


Gog wonder why you vote for not-Gerki, when Gerki is the one with votes. (Assuming elfboy wants to actually eliminate the twins.)

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Re: Round 5: Pocket Change

Postby sphenodont » 25 Apr 2014, 15:49:21

Gog will vote for Zot, because he's the only person in contention that Gog have bad feeling about. Also, Gog is having side game of Dungeon World over in the corner booth tonight, so Gog will be unable to return for later voting.

Gog is going with gut, and actual analysis will have to wait for tomorrow, sadly. Smirker, best of luck. Be sure to tie Pooky updown if you take a nap.

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Re: Round 5: Pocket Change

Postby Smirker » 25 Apr 2014, 15:52:33

[[ Hmm, does anyone have a current count? ]]

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Re: Round 5: Pocket Change

Postby Hellheart » 25 Apr 2014, 15:53:18

Smirker wrote:[[ Hmm, does anyone have a current count? ]]

Give me a minute to catch up with the tallies. Just got back from work.

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Re: Round 5: Pocket Change

Postby Okaros » 25 Apr 2014, 15:54:51

(( I believe this is current:

Smirker : 5 : Ozymandias, Stigmata, Antipater, That PJ, sphenodont
Simple_Simon : 3 : Hellheart, FurinMirado, Okaros
Okaros : 2 : Simple_Simon, Meta4
7-zark-7 : 1 : Rictus
Admetus : 1 : RaveBomb
dferrantino : 1 : Admetus
Rictus : 1 : 7-zark-7
That PJ : 1 : dferrantino
))
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Re: Round 5: Pocket Change

Postby necklessone » 25 Apr 2014, 15:58:40

Matched my count.

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Re: Round 5: Pocket Change

Postby Blindsniper83 » 25 Apr 2014, 15:59:39

Ravebomb

aslo i passed out at my desk last night so i missed my vote RL is kicking my ass atm
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Re: Round 5: Pocket Change

Postby Hellheart » 25 Apr 2014, 16:04:24

Looks right. Although I'll post mine because no true tally would ignore Ravebomb's recent shenanigans.

Smirker - 5 - Ozymandias, Stigmata, Antipater, That PJ, sphenodont
Simple_Simon - 3 - Hellheart, Furin, Okaros
Okaros - 2 - Simple_Simon, Meta4
Rictus - 1 - Zark, Ravebomb
Admetus - 1 - Ravebomb
That PJ - 1 - dferrantino
dferrantino - 1 - Admetus
Zark - 1 - Rictus
Ravebomb - 1 - Blindsniper
twdog - 0 - Ravebomb

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Re: Round 5: Pocket Change

Postby Visigoth » 25 Apr 2014, 16:09:25

This whole twin thing is really giving the Network quite a bit of control over the lynch regardless of if one, both, or none of them have been converted. Since they obviously have a pressure point in that if they put one of them in danger it will likely result in 4 votes going onto someone else. And if we are doing poorly and putting up mostly humans in the running they don't even have to worry who they vote on to save themselves. As for whether one or both may or may not be converted I'd likely lean towards not since they are getting the benefit without the risk of losing both of them eventually. I'd almost rather we all pile on one of them or the/a Vig take them out so that we don't keep having them be a distraction and potentially messing with the voting records.

Going with simple_simon today. His focus on keeping the focus on the Twins seems to really only help the Network since if we spend each day talking about them and poorly attempting to lynch them it keeps focus away from finding the Networkers. Also on Day 3 when he had both of them in some degree of danger (limited of course due to their vote combining powers) he instead switches off to two people with no votes at the end of the day for no apparent reason. He was also the last votes on That PJ (Day 2) and Okaros (Day 4) which pretty much forced a switch to save the other.

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Re: Round 5: Pocket Change

Postby dferrantino » 25 Apr 2014, 16:12:26

sphenodont wrote:
dferrantino wrote:That PJ, because I have to pick one of you.


Gog wonder why you vote for not-Gerki, when Gerki is the one with votes. (Assuming elfboy wants to actually eliminate the twins.)

Good point, didn't see the count.

Okaros

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Re: Round 5: Pocket Change

Postby Smirker » 25 Apr 2014, 16:15:56

[[ I'm actually anguishing over this a bit and probably WAY overthinking things... so, i'm just going to go ahead and vent... ]]

*Smirker stands up and glares at RETRACTEDOzymandias* [[Lynch vote]]

I've had it with you! And most of your posts are setting off red flags for me. But, If I'm right about you, you are far more likely to have started off this trip as a robot than to have been replaced by one.

*Smirker picks up a couple of barstools*

That is the ONLY reason I'm not bash in your damn block(head)!!

*Smirker whirls and smashes ThatPJ with both stools* [VIG SHOT]

There, if nothing else; the recurring question of the twins and their late-game danger has been addressed. Of the two of them I found PJ to be more suspicious and I have a more human read on Oko.

*Smirker then drops his shattered stools and lumbers to the bathroom*
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Re: Round 5: Pocket Change

Postby MaxFrost » 25 Apr 2014, 16:16:42

Sorry, it feels like you're trying to slip out of DD duty Simple_Simon, I'm afraid we can't have that.

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Re: Round 5: Pocket Change

Postby MaxFrost » 25 Apr 2014, 16:18:06

Oh...

Oh my...

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Re: Round 5: Pocket Change

Postby necklessone » 25 Apr 2014, 16:18:46

That PJ - Stool based injuries
Okaros - Accompanying her sister to the hospital

Vig shot confirmed.

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Re: Round 5: Pocket Change

Postby San » 25 Apr 2014, 16:30:09

HUH?

WAZZAT?

NO NO I WAN'T SLEEPING.

IT'S MOST DEFINITELY TWDOG TURNS TO BUY THE NEXT ROUND.

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Re: Round 5: Pocket Change

Postby Visigoth » 25 Apr 2014, 16:30:41

As expected. Though with it being revealed it does make me feel bit better about my vote. Also would likely toss Smirker in there as well now since when he's in danger he tosses out a singleton vote‽

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Re: Round 5: Pocket Change

Postby Hellheart » 25 Apr 2014, 16:30:50

Sigh

Well, thanks for removing the best source of reads and analysis in the thread. Real good move there.

(( No offense, Ozy - they've just been talking about more things today :P ))

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Re: Round 5: Pocket Change

Postby Iron Clad Burrito » 25 Apr 2014, 16:35:11

Well...

wow.

But on the other hand, I can't say I didn't see that coming. and it should remove the biggest distraction we've had all game.

Can we have an updated count? I still need to vote before getting too drnka ((IRL, that is))

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Re: Round 5: Pocket Change

Postby dferrantino » 25 Apr 2014, 16:38:34

Iron Clad Burrito wrote:Can we have an updated count? I still need to vote before getting too drnka ((IRL, that is))

++

I've got about a goal left.

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Re: Round 5: Pocket Change

Postby MaxFrost » 25 Apr 2014, 16:39:11

Just means we need to provide more commentary on our own!

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Re: Round 5: Pocket Change

Postby Hellheart » 25 Apr 2014, 16:46:09

Smirker - 4 - Ozymandias, Stigmata, Antipater, That PJ, sphenodont
Simple_Simon - 4 - Hellheart, Furin, Okaros, Visigoth, MaxFrost
Okaros - 3 - Simple_Simon, Meta4, dferrantino
Rictus - 1 - Zark, Ravebomb
twdog - 1 - Ravebomb, San
Admetus - 1 - Ravebomb
dferrantino - 1 - Admetus
Zark - 1 - Rictus
Ravebomb - 1 - Blindsniper
Ozymandias - 1 - Smirker
That PJ - 0 - dferrantino


Dferrantino has already retracted his Okaros vote, but has yet to cast it elsewhere. I'm leaving him on Okaros for now.
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Re: Round 5: Pocket Change

Postby twdog » 25 Apr 2014, 16:46:15

RaveBomb doesn't feel authentically random this game.
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Re: Round 5: Pocket Change

Postby Iron Clad Burrito » 25 Apr 2014, 16:47:55

Hellheart wrote:Smirker - 4 - Ozymandias, Stigmata, Antipater, That PJ, sphenodont
Simple_Simon - 4 - Hellheart, Furin, Okaros, Visigoth, MaxFrost
Okaros - 3 - Simple_Simon, Meta4, dferrantino
Rictus - 1 - Zark, Ravebomb
twdog - 1 - Ravebomb, San
Admetus - 1 - Ravebomb
dferrantino - 1 - Admetus
Zark - 1 - Rictus
Ravebomb - 1 - Blindsniper
Ozymandias - 1 - Smirker
That PJ - 0 - dferrantino


Dferrantino has already retracted his Okaros vote, but has yet to cast it elsewhere. I'm leaving him on Okaros for now.


Well since Okaros is dead, it hardly matters.

I'll vote simple_simon, since I don't think a networked Smirker would have taken out the twins.

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Re: Round 5: Pocket Change

Postby Hellheart » 25 Apr 2014, 16:48:49

MaxFrost wrote:Just means we need to provide more commentary on our own!

Early morning commentary and concentrated reads are both very hard to come by on this forum. Admetus, Ozymandias, and I are going to have to pick up the slack I guess.

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Re: Round 5: Pocket Change

Postby Hellheart » 25 Apr 2014, 16:49:59

Iron Clad Burrito wrote:I'll vote simple_simon, since I don't think a networked Smirker would have taken out the twins.

That's a really dumb statement. A Networked Smirker that's about to die - and it was pretty clear to me at least that he was going to be the lynch today - is going to shoot the biggest threat to the Network, which is going to be the twins since they'd be soft-cleared for at least the time being if Smirker flipped wolf.

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Re: Round 5: Pocket Change

Postby Iron Clad Burrito » 25 Apr 2014, 16:52:23

Hellheart wrote:
Iron Clad Burrito wrote:I'll vote simple_simon, since I don't think a networked Smirker would have taken out the twins.

That's a really dumb statement. A Networked Smirker that's about to die is going to shoot the biggest threat to the Network, which is going to be the twins since they'd be hard-cleared for at least the time being if Smirker flipped wolf.


I disagree. the twins have done nothing but help the network, really. They have distracted us from looking for networked people, they keep putting humans over the top in voting for self-preservation. The network wouldn't have cared if they died, but would take advantage while they lived.

I can be swayed to switch to Smirker, but that line of reasoning is not how it's going to happen.

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Re: Round 5: Pocket Change

Postby dferrantino » 25 Apr 2014, 16:56:59

I don't disagree, but I don't agree with the Simon vote either.

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Re: Round 5: Pocket Change

Postby Hellheart » 25 Apr 2014, 16:57:07

Iron Clad Burrito wrote:
Hellheart wrote:
Iron Clad Burrito wrote:I'll vote simple_simon, since I don't think a networked Smirker would have taken out the twins.

That's a really dumb statement. A Networked Smirker that's about to die is going to shoot the biggest threat to the Network, which is going to be the twins since they'd be hard-cleared for at least the time being if Smirker flipped wolf.


I disagree. the twins have done nothing but help the network, really. They have distracted us from looking for networked people, they keep putting humans over the top in voting for self-preservation. The network wouldn't have cared if they died, but would take advantage while they lived.

I can be swayed to switch to Smirker, but that line of reasoning is not how it's going to happen.

They're the only players to post a concentrated list of reads. If they were correct in those reads, and I felt that their list of reads was generally sound, then a soft-cleared set of twins can pretty much dictate the lynch for the next couple of days. I'd follow along with them as long as their reasoning continued to be as sound as it was today.

In other words, if Smirker's going to flip wolf and the twins had one or two other wolves on their shortlist, the Network would need them to die now.

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Re: Round 5: Pocket Change

Postby Simple_Simon » 25 Apr 2014, 17:00:48

I have no defense for what just occurred. I believed they were network and I stand by my beliefs. I was wrong. I was willing to bet my life on them being network and that isn't about to change now.
For what it's worth, though, his talking to himself is awfully entertaining.-sphen
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Re: Round 5: Pocket Change

Postby Iron Clad Burrito » 25 Apr 2014, 17:03:28

Hellheart wrote:
Iron Clad Burrito wrote:
Hellheart wrote:
Iron Clad Burrito wrote:I'll vote simple_simon, since I don't think a networked Smirker would have taken out the twins.

That's a really dumb statement. A Networked Smirker that's about to die is going to shoot the biggest threat to the Network, which is going to be the twins since they'd be hard-cleared for at least the time being if Smirker flipped wolf.


I disagree. the twins have done nothing but help the network, really. They have distracted us from looking for networked people, they keep putting humans over the top in voting for self-preservation. The network wouldn't have cared if they died, but would take advantage while they lived.

I can be swayed to switch to Smirker, but that line of reasoning is not how it's going to happen.

They're the only players to post a concentrated list of reads. If they were correct in those reads, and I felt that their list of reads was generally sound, then a soft-cleared set of twins can pretty much dictate the lynch for the next couple of days. I'd follow along with them as long as their reasoning continued to be as sound as it was today.

In other words, if Smirker's going to flip wolf and the twins had one or two other wolves on their shortlist, the Network would need them to die now.


They have reads out there already, at the beginning of today. I'm glad I was finally able to prod them into providing reads, instead of the "woe is me" that started the day. (Yep, I'm taking credit for that.)

Your theory hinges on Smirker flipping wolf; mine actually hinges on him being human. Maybe at night's end we'll know.

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Re: Round 5: Pocket Change

Postby Hellheart » 25 Apr 2014, 17:09:41

Iron Clad Burrito wrote:They have reads out there already, at the beginning of today. I'm glad I was finally able to prod them into providing reads, instead of the "woe is me" that started the day. (Yep, I'm taking credit for that.)

Your theory hinges on Smirker flipping wolf; mine actually hinges on him being human. Maybe at night's end we'll know.

I can hardly guarantee that he's a wolf, and he's statistically far more likely to be human. I'm not betting my life on his flipping wolf. I'm not even betting my life on either Smirker or Simon being a wolf.

I just see no reason to interpret that Vig shot as a sign of humanity. Not in a conversion game.

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Re: Round 5: Pocket Change

Postby Iron Clad Burrito » 25 Apr 2014, 17:10:39

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(( I think you have to hit 10 (I think it's 10?) posts before you can PM. ))



I've manually tweaked antipater's postcount to 25. LMK if you still have problems.

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Re: Round 5: Pocket Change

Postby Iron Clad Burrito » 25 Apr 2014, 17:11:43

Hellheart wrote:
Iron Clad Burrito wrote:They have reads out there already, at the beginning of today. I'm glad I was finally able to prod them into providing reads, instead of the "woe is me" that started the day. (Yep, I'm taking credit for that.)

Your theory hinges on Smirker flipping wolf; mine actually hinges on him being human. Maybe at night's end we'll know.

I can hardly guarantee that he's a wolf, and he's statistically far more likely to be human. I'm not betting my life on his flipping wolf. I'm not even betting my life on either Smirker or Simon being a wolf.

I just see no reason to interpret that Vig shot as a sign of humanity. Not in a conversion game.


For real and for true permanent human? Not on your life. But at least for today (and by extension tomorrow) I think he is.

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Re: Round 5: Pocket Change

Postby Hellheart » 25 Apr 2014, 17:13:39

Iron Clad Burrito wrote:For real and for true permanent human? Not on your life. But at least for today (and by extension tomorrow) I think he is.

Is that more of a player-specific read? That's something I definitely wouldn't see, but would be bloody obvious from your standpoint.

I'd certainly welcome Ozy's input on this as well, if he comes on before EOD.

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Re: Round 5: Pocket Change

Postby Simple_Simon » 25 Apr 2014, 17:15:09

Visigoth wrote:This whole twin thing is really giving the Network quite a bit of control over the lynch regardless of if one, both, or none of them have been converted. Since they obviously have a pressure point in that if they put one of them in danger it will likely result in 4 votes going onto someone else. And if we are doing poorly and putting up mostly humans in the running they don't even have to worry who they vote on to save themselves. As for whether one or both may or may not be converted I'd likely lean towards not since they are getting the benefit without the risk of losing both of them eventually. I'd almost rather we all pile on one of them or the/a Vig take them out so that we don't keep having them be a distraction and potentially messing with the voting records.

Going with simple_simon today. His focus on keeping the focus on the Twins seems to really only help the Network since if we spend each day talking about them and poorly attempting to lynch them it keeps focus away from finding the Networkers. Also on Day 3 when he had both of them in some degree of danger (limited of course due to their vote combining powers) he instead switches off to two people with no votes at the end of the day for no apparent reason. He was also the last votes on That PJ (Day 2) and Okaros (Day 4) which pretty much forced a switch to save the other.


You should probably follow along closer if you're going to accuse me of anything. ;)

Point the first ...

His focus on keeping the focus on the Twins seems to really only help the Network since if we spend each day talking about them and poorly attempting to lynch them it keeps focus away from finding the Networkers.


Except that is also the best manner we had to try and apply vote analysis. It's not much to go on, but it was something. It also has to do with the fact that they were both involved in every single lynch the entire game. Of course we wouldn't have beeded 2 days worth of discussions on the matter if someone had shot them in the face like I asked for in the first place.

Also on Day 3 when he had both of them in some degree of danger (limited of course due to their vote combining powers) he instead switches off to two people with no votes at the end of the day for no apparent reason.


You are flat out wrong on this. Instead of retyping it all let me just point you to the relevant post you seem to have missed.

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The reason for my retraction from ThatPJ and you (Ozymandias) was because at that time the chance of getting ThatPJ in the lynch was minimal at best (as the only person I had any interest in seeing lynched) my next best move was to try and limit the possibility that he would be in a reward position. I did not want the twins to have a reward plus their mighty voting power.

At that point since I cannot refrain from voting I needed two new votes. I decided that I didn't have time to research who in the top lists should be told to sit out the remainder of the walk so I opted for two singleton votes. Visigoth was an error in that I didn't see him in my list prior to the vote. That is why I retracted it a second time and settled with Antipater and FurinMirado, both singletons.

Edit: Clarification in the event you don't follow the link in italics.


He was also the last votes on That PJ (Day 2) and Okaros (Day 4) which pretty much forced a switch to save the other.


That's pretty obvious since I think they should both die. Someone else mentioned that being last on Okaros yesterday isn't the move that forced them into self defense. It was an attempt to kill them once and for all. Hoping the other two votes would have come in. They didn't. Which brings us to where we are today.

All that being said, you don't have to move your vote. I was instrumental in killing 2 humans with vote manipulation powers and I deserve to be lynched for that. It's not going to help the humans, but I sure do deserve it.
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Re: Round 5: Pocket Change

Postby Iron Clad Burrito » 25 Apr 2014, 17:19:38

Hellheart wrote:
Iron Clad Burrito wrote:For real and for true permanent human? Not on your life. But at least for today (and by extension tomorrow) I think he is.

Is that more of a player-specific read? That's something I definitely wouldn't see, but would be bloody obvious from your standpoint.

I'd certainly welcome Ozy's input on this as well, if he comes on before EOD.


To be fair to you: The longer Smirker waits to take that shot, the more likely he is to be network (and likely in a desparate situation where he knows he's fucked and will take 2 humans with him). This shot was early enough that I believe it's just him removing the twins before we have a fifth day where they control the lynch.

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Re: Round 5: Pocket Change

Postby Simple_Simon » 25 Apr 2014, 17:22:36

Iron Clad Burrito wrote:
Hellheart wrote:
Iron Clad Burrito wrote:For real and for true permanent human? Not on your life. But at least for today (and by extension tomorrow) I think he is.

Is that more of a player-specific read? That's something I definitely wouldn't see, but would be bloody obvious from your standpoint.

I'd certainly welcome Ozy's input on this as well, if he comes on before EOD.


To be fair to you: The longer Smirker waits to take that shot, the more likely he is to be network (and likely in a desparate situation where he knows he's fucked and will take 2 humans with him). This shot was early enough that I believe it's just him removing the twins before we have a fifth day where they control the lynch.



He only had 2 days and most of a third to come up with a decision since I first brought it up.
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Re: Round 5: Pocket Change

Postby Hellheart » 25 Apr 2014, 17:25:13

Simple_Simon wrote:He only had 2 days and most of a third to come up with a decision since I first brought it up.

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Re: Round 5: Pocket Change

Postby Iron Clad Burrito » 25 Apr 2014, 17:26:01

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Simple_Simon wrote:He only had 2 days and most of a third to come up with a decision since I first brought it up.

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:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: Round 5: Pocket Change

Postby Simple_Simon » 25 Apr 2014, 17:30:16

Iron Clad Burrito wrote:
Hellheart wrote:
Simple_Simon wrote:He only had 2 days and most of a third to come up with a decision since I first brought it up.

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:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


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