Round 9: The Giant Robot

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Round 9: The Giant Robot

Postby necklessone » 29 Apr 2014, 18:09:50

Without warning, the headless body of Steven gets up and points at the assembled drinkers. “It didn’t have to be this way,” he says with a distorted electronic voice. In robotic unison, the others patrons rise and face the party. A blinding blue light emits from their eyes and open mouths as they advance.

After a brief scuffle, all but one of drinkers manage to make it out the door. Tracy shouts for help as they leave her in the clutches of the strange automatons, but no one turns around.

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You are one part of the "marmalade sandwich" and you are nothing without your fellow members: REDACTED and REDACTED. When you vote on the same target as REDACTED, REDACTED. When you vote on the same target as REDACTED, REDACTED.


The streets are full of Blanks and, even worse, the modern art has come to life and is patrolling. The Two Headed Dog awaits, but how are you going to get there? Some opt to take the back alleys while another group things they can get their through some nearby gardens. A third group things there has to be another option if you would just calm down and look. With no time for an argument, they agree to split up and meet later.

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Today is a special event. Each player must send me a private message choosing either the Alley, the Garden, or to Keep Looking. Anyone who does not PM me will have an option assigned randomly. The players who chose the least chosen option will be safe from the lynch and conversion on Round/Night 10.

In addition to that, there will be a regular lynch today.

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Re: Round 9: The Giant Robot

Postby necklessone » 29 Apr 2014, 18:10:06

Blindsniper83 : 5 : Antipater, Iron Clad Burrito, RaveBomb, Visigoth, Smirker
Stigmata : 3 : San, Hellheart, FurinMirado
FurinMirado : 2 : sphenodont, 7-zark-7
Hellheart : 2 : Rictus, Stigmata
Smirker : 1 : Blindsniper83

[+] Votes
Hellheart voted for 7-zark-7 (Retracted)
San voted for Stigmata
sphenodont voted for FurinMirado
7-zark-7 voted for Hellheart (Retracted)
Antipater voted for Blindsniper83
Rictus voted for Hellheart
Stigmata voted for Hellheart
Iron Clad Burrito voted for Blindsniper83
RaveBomb voted for Blindsniper83
Ozymandias voted for Iron Clad Burrito (Retracted)
Visigoth voted for Blindsniper83
Hellheart voted for Smirker (Retracted)
Smirker voted for Blindsniper83 (Retracted)
Hellheart voted for FurinMirado (Retracted)
FurinMirado voted for Blindsniper83 (Retracted)
7-zark-7 voted for Blindsniper83 (Retracted)
7-zark-7 voted for FurinMirado
Smirker voted for FurinMirado (Retracted)
Smirker voted for Stigmata (Retracted)
Hellheart voted for Stigmata
FurinMirado voted for Stigmata
Smirker voted for Blindsniper83
Blindsniper83 voted for Smirker

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Re: Round 9: The Giant Robot

Postby Hellheart » 29 Apr 2014, 18:11:28

Welcome to my power. I'm sorry about being such an ass the past few days, but I've been trying so damn hard to avoid being converted so I could pull this off.

This is a big middle finger to the Network to prove my humanity. Have fun converting from 1/3 of the playerbase, hope it doesn't work out for you.

(Boo, 2/3 I suppose. This is all Ravebomb's fault.)
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Re: Round 9: The Giant Robot

Postby necklessone » 29 Apr 2014, 18:12:21

Hellheart wrote:Welcome to my power. I'm sorry about being such an ass the past few days, but I've been trying so damn hard to avoid being converted so I could pull this off.

This is a big middle finger to the Network to prove my humanity. Have fun converting from 1/3 of the playerbase, hope it doesn't work out for you.


Two thirds, actually. Two of the choices are not safe.

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Re: Round 9: The Giant Robot

Postby Hellheart » 29 Apr 2014, 18:14:26

necklessone wrote:
Hellheart wrote:Welcome to my power. I'm sorry about being such an ass the past few days, but I've been trying so damn hard to avoid being converted so I could pull this off.

This is a big middle finger to the Network to prove my humanity. Have fun converting from 1/3 of the playerbase, hope it doesn't work out for you.


Two thirds, actually. Two of the choices are not safe.

Bah, I suppose 1/3 would've been too much to ask :P

As if it wasn't bad enough to change it from a majority vote.

(This is what the coinflip game turned into. Which is why I knew it was player-generated back on day 5)
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Re: Round 9: The Giant Robot

Postby FurinMirado » 29 Apr 2014, 18:15:01

necklessone wrote:
Hellheart wrote:Welcome to my power. I'm sorry about being such an ass the past few days, but I've been trying so damn hard to avoid being converted so I could pull this off.

This is a big middle finger to the Network to prove my humanity. Have fun converting from 1/3 of the playerbase, hope it doesn't work out for you.


Two thirds, actually. Two of the choices are not safe.


Which one is the shortcut where we vault over backyard fences?

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Re: Round 9: The Giant Robot

Postby FurinMirado » 29 Apr 2014, 18:17:09

Hellheart wrote:
necklessone wrote:
Hellheart wrote:Welcome to my power. I'm sorry about being such an ass the past few days, but I've been trying so damn hard to avoid being converted so I could pull this off.

This is a big middle finger to the Network to prove my humanity. Have fun converting from 1/3 of the playerbase, hope it doesn't work out for you.


Two thirds, actually. Two of the choices are not safe.

Bah, I suppose 1/3 would've been too much to ask :P

As if it wasn't bad enough to change it from a majority vote.

(This is what the coinflip game turned into. Which is why I knew it was player-generated back on day 5)

Hey, 2/3 is still pretty awesome. That GA you were concerned about will have an easier time blocking and we have a smaller pool to analyze if we want to find the Round 10 convert.

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Re: Round 9: The Giant Robot

Postby necklessone » 29 Apr 2014, 18:20:37

FurinMirado wrote:
necklessone wrote:
Hellheart wrote:Welcome to my power. I'm sorry about being such an ass the past few days, but I've been trying so damn hard to avoid being converted so I could pull this off.

This is a big middle finger to the Network to prove my humanity. Have fun converting from 1/3 of the playerbase, hope it doesn't work out for you.


Two thirds, actually. Two of the choices are not safe.


Which one is the shortcut where we vault over backyard fences?


The gardens. What's a matter, Furin, never taken a shortcut before?

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Re: Round 9: The Giant Robot

Postby Smirker » 29 Apr 2014, 19:00:17

Interesting power if a weird sounding setting (i know I've seen the trailer and it had some giant robot and such.. but I would've thought it'd be at the end of the game).

Then again it is almost time for the Network to stop being borg and go cylon on us. So, it's more appropriate than I first considered. :eek:

Regardless, i can't see this being a power than a Network would choose to play - not with them down two members and it affecting their last recruitment night.

Holding off on voting for now; besides, I need to do other things.

[e]: kids in bed. Will check back later - if nothing else - more tomorrow. :)
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Re: Round 9: The Giant Robot

Postby Hellheart » 29 Apr 2014, 19:10:49

I'll wait and see what develops before I chip in. I can finally take a backseat for awhile!

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Re: Round 9: The Giant Robot

Postby stigmata » 29 Apr 2014, 20:19:29

Hellheart wrote:Welcome to my power. I'm sorry about being such an ass the past few days, but I've been trying so damn hard to avoid being converted so I could pull this off.


You don't lose your powers when you get converted, do you? If you don't, why would this prove your humanity? For all I know, I'm the only human left anyway, so you'd only have to lynch me.

OH GOD.

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Re: Round 9: The Giant Robot

Postby Hellheart » 29 Apr 2014, 20:31:09

stigmata wrote:
Hellheart wrote:Welcome to my power. I'm sorry about being such an ass the past few days, but I've been trying so damn hard to avoid being converted so I could pull this off.


You don't lose your powers when you get converted, do you? If you don't, why would this prove your humanity? For all I know, I'm the only human left anyway, so you'd only have to lynch me.

OH GOD.

Here, eat this chocolate.

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Re: Round 9: The Giant Robot

Postby stigmata » 29 Apr 2014, 20:37:53

NO I DON'T WANT IT YOU CAN'T MAKE ME EAT IT *wheeze*

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Re: Round 9: The Giant Robot

Postby Hellheart » 29 Apr 2014, 21:34:17

stigmata wrote:NO I DON'T WANT IT YOU CAN'T MAKE ME EAT IT *wheeze*

:lol:

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Re: Round 9: The Giant Robot

Postby Hellheart » 29 Apr 2014, 23:51:47

Finished debugging the color tally function, think it works now. This is certainly a great time for the first color tally of the entire game :o . I may have missed a vote or two somewhere, but I checked most of these against the ending tallies (before bonus votes).

The Networker numbers assume that no conversions have failed because of GA protection. I'm also working off of the assumption that Ozymandias was an initial Networker, and that Admetus was either an initial Networker or Day 2 convert (because Furin was pushing him on Day 3 and there were conversion options with much less heat on Day 6). Thus it makes sense to me to color both of them red through the whole game, and slightly discount Admetus' votes until he's converted. I can come up with a color for that later; I'm afraid I'll just break the tally function again.

I took the liberty of coloring myself and Smirker in blue.

...Nah, of course I didn't. Bet I fooled Zark for a second though :lol:

2 Networkers

[+] Day 1
Ryvvn - 5 - Okaros, Hellheart, Rictus, Antipater, That PJ
Okaros - 4 - Ryvvn, DOM, sphenodont, Ozymandias
Ravebomb - 3 - Meta4, Simple_Simon, Zark
Hellheart - 2 - San, Furin
That PJ - 2 - rekard, ICB
Ozymandias - 2 - dferrantino, twdog
DOM - 1 - Admetus, That PJ
sphenodont - 1 - Visigoth
Meta4 - 1 - CAD
MaxFrost - 1 - Ravebomb
San - 1 - Smirker
Simple_Simon - 1 - Blindsniper
twdog - 1 - MaxFrost

[+] Day 2
DOM - 5 - MaxFrost, Visigoth, Smirker, Okaros, That PJ
That PJ - 4 - rekard, dferrantino, Antipater, Meta4, Simple_Simon
Hellheart - 3 - rekard, Blindsniper, Ozymandias
San - 3 - Stigmata, Hellheart, ICB
rekard - 1 - That PJ, Ravebomb
Okaros - 1 - Ozymandias, Hellheart, Zark
sphenodont - 1 - Admetus
Furin - 1 - DOM
dferrantino - 1 - Furin
Meta4 - 1 - San
Visigoth - 0 - Okaros

3 Networkers

[+] Day 3
rekard - 7 - Hellheart, That PJ, Rictus, sphenodont, Okaros, Smirker
Meta4 - 7 - rekard, Ozymandias, dferrantino, Rictus, Okaros
Simple_Simon - 4 - That PJ, Ozymandias, Ravebomb
Smirker - 4 - San, rekard, dferrantino, sphenodont
ICB - 3 - Furin, Hellheart, Ravebomb, twdog, Smirker
dferrantino - 2 - Admetus, That PJ, Visigoth
Okaros - 3 - Simple_Simon, Meta4, Stigmata, Blindsniper
That PJ - 3 - Simple_Simon, Meta4, Stigmata, Blindsniper
Visigoth - 2 - CAD, MaxFrost, Simple_Simon
Stigmata - 2 - San, Antipater
Hellheart - 1 - twdog
Admetus - 1 - Furin, CAD
Zark - 1 - Visigoth
Furin - 1 - Simple_Simon
Blindsniper - 1 - Admetus
Antipater - 1 - Simple_Simon
CAD - 1 - MaxFrost
MaxFrost - 1 - Smirker
San - 1 - Antipater
Ozymandias - 0 - Simple_Simon

[+] Day 4
CAD - 4 - That PJ, Admetus, MaxFrost, Okaros
Okaros - 4 - Rictus, ICB, sphenodont, Simple_Simon
Ravebomb - 2 - Smirker, Zark
Admetus - 2 - Stigmata, CAD
San - 2 - Ravebomb, Hellheart
Smirker - 2 - San, Ozymandias
ICB - 1 - sphenodont, Furin
Zark - 1 - twdog
Visigoth - 1 - dferrantino
Blindsniper - 1 - Okaros
Simple_Simon - 1 - Antipater
Rictus - 1 - Visigoth

4 Networkers

[+] Day 5
Smirker - 6 - Ozymandias, Stigmata, Antipater, That PJ, sphenodont, Meta4, Hellheart
Simple_Simon - 5 - Hellheart, Furin, Okaros, Visigoth, MaxFrost, ICB, Smirker
Ravebomb - 2 - Blindsniper, twdog
Rictus - 1 - Zark, Ravebomb
twdog - 1 - Ravebomb, San
Okaros - 1 - Simple_Simon, Meta4, dferrantino
Admetus - 1 - Ravebomb
dferrantino - 1 - Admetus
Zark - 1 - Rictus
ICB - 1 - Simple_Simon
Ozymandias - 0 - Smirker
That PJ - 0 - dferrantino

[+] Day 6
dferrantino - 7 - Furin, Hellheart, ICB, Visigoth, Ravebomb, Stigmata, sphenodont
Meta4 - 6 - Hellheart, ICB, Visigoth, twdog, Smirker, Stigmata, Rictus
Smirker - 6 - Furin, Ozymandias, Zark, Meta4, Admetus, Rictus, sphenodont
ICB - 2 - Ozymandias, Meta4, twdog, Smirker
Blindsniper - 2 - Zark, Ravebomb
MaxFrost - 1 - Hellheart, Blindsniper
sphenodont - 1 - San
Antipater - 1 - San
Ozymandias - 1 - Meta4
San - 1 - Blindsniper
twdog - 0 - Rictus
Admetus - 0 - Hellheart
Furin - 0 - Admetus

4 Networkers

[+] Day 7
Blindsniper - 6 - Ravebomb, Visigoth, ICB, Zark, Hellheart, sphenodont, MaxFrost, Smirker
MaxFrost - 5 - Hellheart, Smirker, Blindsniper, ICB, Stigmata, sphenodont, Antipater, Hellheart
ICB - 2 - Rictus, Stigmata, Blindsniper, MaxFrost, Ozymandias
sphenodont - 1 - Furin
Visigoth - 1 - San
Smirker - 0 - Ozymandias, Zark
Ravebomb - 0 - MaxFrost

3 Networkers

[+] Day 8
Blindsniper - 5 - Antipater, ICB, Ravebomb, Visigoth, Smirker, Furin, Zark, Smirker
Stigmata - 3 - San, Smirker, Hellheart, Furin
Hellheart - 2 - Zark, Rictus, Stigmata
Furin - 2 - sphenodont, Hellheart, Zark, Smirker
Smirker - 1 - Hellheart, Blindsniper
Zark - 0 - Hellheart

4 Networkers
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Re: Round 9: The Giant Robot

Postby FurinMirado » 30 Apr 2014, 03:24:21

It's month end so I'm going to be insanely busy at work for the next few days. I apologize for the reduced activity this late in the game.

So placeholder vote on San in case I can't make it back before EOD.

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Re: Round 9: The Giant Robot

Postby PA System » 30 Apr 2014, 04:19:08

Well I'm not going with my gut anymore...

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Re: Round 9: The Giant Robot

Postby San » 30 Apr 2014, 05:04:50

I CANT EVEN

RAVEBOMB

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Re: Round 9: The Giant Robot

Postby Rictus » 30 Apr 2014, 05:07:59

HH, Day 7 is wrong. You missed your last vote maneuver.
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Re: Round 9: The Giant Robot

Postby Smirker » 30 Apr 2014, 06:10:37

Thanks for the daily tallies though HH; I find them very useful (especially as I've not been doing them each day).

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Re: Round 9: The Giant Robot

Postby 7-zark-7 » 30 Apr 2014, 06:16:31

Hellheart wrote:.I took the liberty of coloring myself and Smirker in blue.


now I ask, is blue really the best color at this point?

what's wrong with blue?

if you have to ask

it's better than red

but you're all changing the subject

Hellheart wrote:...Nah, of course I didn't. Bet I fooled Zark for a second though :lol:


hush you. We're not here to talk about you. Someone else is of interest at this point...

Some say that he refuses to acknowledge the existance of Nottingham shire, and that he recently received a very strong email from his finance’s mother, saying its bad manners to sit at the dinner table in a helmet. All we know is he’s called the
Stig.”

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Re: Round 9: The Giant Robot

Postby RaveBomb » 30 Apr 2014, 06:36:21

Hellheart wrote:(Boo, 2/3 I suppose. This is all Ravebomb's fault.)


Hey! Don't drag me into this!
If our team loses, it's going to be entirely your fault.-rekard
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Re: Round 9: The Giant Robot

Postby Rictus » 30 Apr 2014, 07:29:34

RaveBomb wrote:
Hellheart wrote:(Boo, 2/3 I suppose. This is all Ravebomb's fault.)


Hey! Don't drag me into this!

Why not? RAVEBOMB.

Humans have been playing for absolute shit this game, and I fully expect us to flail around until the replicants win on day 12. The last 2 days we've deliberately lynched humans and nobody seems to care.
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Re: Round 9: The Giant Robot

Postby RaveBomb » 30 Apr 2014, 09:32:51

And with that vote, they CONTINUE to play like shit.

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Re: Round 9: The Giant Robot

Postby Rictus » 30 Apr 2014, 09:37:15

RaveBomb wrote:And with that vote, they CONTINUE to play like shit.

Rictus


At least you admit I'm Human.
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Re: Round 9: The Giant Robot

Postby RaveBomb » 30 Apr 2014, 09:44:14

I have nothing to admit other then my own humanity.

You would prefer another target, a military target?
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Re: Round 9: The Giant Robot

Postby Hellheart » 30 Apr 2014, 09:47:45

Rictus wrote:HH, Day 7 is wrong. You missed your last vote maneuver.

Fixed.

Nobody has any actual ideas and analysis? Really? Fine, let's start with some mechanics discussion, since wolves are more comfortable with that.

Necklessone, can we publicly discuss our choices for this event?
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Re: Round 9: The Giant Robot

Postby Hellheart » 30 Apr 2014, 09:51:52

Rictus wrote:
RaveBomb wrote:
Hellheart wrote:(Boo, 2/3 I suppose. This is all Ravebomb's fault.)


Hey! Don't drag me into this!

Why not? RAVEBOMB.

Humans have been playing for absolute shit this game, and I fully expect us to flail around until the replicants win on day 12. The last 2 days we've deliberately lynched humans and nobody seems to care.

Yesterday, I think we were on something with Stigmata, or at least completely off-kilter with Blindsniper. I'm not going to push Stigmata today because there are honestly several more likely targets, but I think if the coinflip killed him we may have one less wolf today.

MaxFrost was acting really oddly, but no wolf was up for lynching that day anyway. Unless you really think Ozy spent several consecutive days pushing a fellow wolf.

I really don't want to keep directing the lynch. I'll do the best I can, but I usually make my best choices by considering who certain players that I trust are suspicious of, and what the thread consensus is in general. If it's just an echo chamber for me, I can go totally off base very quickly.

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And I am definitely not blindly voting for anyone outside of the two players I'm going to look at in detail today. Give me strong enough reasoning and I truly will consider it. If you don't have time for that, at least give us some of your thought process or how you feel about several players.

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Re: Round 9: The Giant Robot

Postby PA System » 30 Apr 2014, 10:42:04

For now Visigoth

Mostly I just want to record a singleton for now so that if I don't make it back I haven't killed anyone necessarily.

Also one of the folks I have to worst read on, sort of below the radar, and a fellow vote on Blindsniper yesterday. I figure good odds that one of us would be Network. This seemed as good a vote as any. If anyone has counter points refuting this choice please bring them forward. I can probably get a few minutes in for review on train tonight.

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Re: Round 9: The Giant Robot

Postby necklessone » 30 Apr 2014, 10:42:52

Hellheart wrote:Necklessone, can we publicly discuss our choices for this event?

((Sorry, had a lunch meeting. Nothing like tasting both sleep-inducing and energy-granting candies after a calzone to completely screw up your afternoon.))

There will be no public discussion of your choices. A giant robot is around the corner. Why are you standing around in committee?

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Re: Round 9: The Giant Robot

Postby 7-zark-7 » 30 Apr 2014, 10:46:55

I am not a committee

Just so you know, committee doesn't mean "someone who has been Committed"

Oh - what does it mean?

Mainly people in one place, talking, getting very little actually done

I stand corrected. I am a committee

More in a bit,

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Re: Round 9: The Giant Robot

Postby Iron Clad Burrito » 30 Apr 2014, 11:15:22

Rictus wrote:
RaveBomb wrote:
Hellheart wrote:(Boo, 2/3 I suppose. This is all Ravebomb's fault.)


Hey! Don't drag me into this!

Why not? RAVEBOMB.

Humans have been playing for absolute shit this game, and I fully expect us to flail around until the replicants win on day 12. The last 2 days we've deliberately lynched humans and nobody seems to care.

So is Ravebomb network, or is this angry voting?

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Re: Round 9: The Giant Robot

Postby Hellheart » 30 Apr 2014, 11:21:20

I am VERY suspicious of players that refuse to discuss anything, or otherwise are pushing players without reason. Quite frankly, the newbie has more/better reasoning for his vote than every vote on Ravebomb combined.

We have 12 players left, 4 wolves. There will be 11 players left tomorrow, and if we don't lynch a wolf either day then the wolves win after conversion.

We need to get our shit together. If Smirker reloads tomorrow we may get a 3rd chance at a wolf, but I don't know his conditions and frankly don't want the Network to know what they are so I'd rather he keep that to himself.

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Re: Round 9: The Giant Robot

Postby Rictus » 30 Apr 2014, 12:50:32

Iron Clad Burrito wrote:
Rictus wrote:
RaveBomb wrote:
Hellheart wrote:(Boo, 2/3 I suppose. This is all Ravebomb's fault.)


Hey! Don't drag me into this!

Why not? RAVEBOMB.

Humans have been playing for absolute shit this game, and I fully expect us to flail around until the replicants win on day 12. The last 2 days we've deliberately lynched humans and nobody seems to care.

So is Ravebomb network, or is this angry voting?

I think he's network. Partially based on his votes on the dual vote day*. Hellheart defending him isn't helping since I suspect Hellheart as well.

* = on my phone can't look it up but I expected wolves to vote together on a big bandwagon but split their other votes.
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Re: Round 9: The Giant Robot

Postby RaveBomb » 30 Apr 2014, 13:23:46

Geez man, do you know NOTHING about my voting patterns by now?

Some people try to use logic and deduction. They tease subtle interactions and turns of phrase into reasoned lines of thought and contemplation.

I read all that, usually discard their conclusions and choose my targets with a DARTBOARD while BLINDFOLDED.
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Re: Round 9: The Giant Robot

Postby sphenodont » 30 Apr 2014, 13:55:43

Gog does not see vote tally, so he will provide one.

Visigoth - 3 - Antipater, sphenodont, Iron Clad Burriton
RaveBomb - 2 - San, Rictus
San - 2 - FurinMirado, RaveBomb
Stigmata - 1 - 7-Zark-7
Rictus - 0 - RaveBomb

Does this look right?
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Re: Round 9: The Giant Robot

Postby RaveBomb » 30 Apr 2014, 13:58:09

Ok, I'm about to go for the day, try not to kill me while I'm gone.

San for the three way.
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Re: Round 9: The Giant Robot

Postby sphenodont » 30 Apr 2014, 13:59:55

Oh ho ho! Gog forget to mention he voting for Phrenk (Visigoth) (retracted).

Gog think if Phrenk around, there should be explosions and smoke. There have been no explosions, but there has been smoke. Ergo, he been replaced with doppleganger.
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Re: Round 9: The Giant Robot

Postby Iron Clad Burrito » 30 Apr 2014, 14:13:30

Visigoth has gone all game under the radar... May be worth a look see?

((out of pocket for what looks to be the rest of the evening.))

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Re: Round 9: The Giant Robot

Postby Hellheart » 30 Apr 2014, 14:20:18

I'm looking at two players. I think one of these two players is almost certainly Network, and there's a chance that both of them are. I can't even really say which one is more likely. I've waited until now to push them because I wanted to use them as honeypots to draw conversions that would otherwise go to players that I'd not be looking at as much.

This first player is Rictus. Nobody has looked his way in 9 days of play. Rictus made it to the Final 4 in Night Vale as a human and most of his lynches were wolf-instigated, so he has the ability to make the long haul. Rictus, if you're human, please recognize that your recent behavior is exactly what got you mislynched in the Draker game. We really need the late-game Rictus that looks at the game in detail, reasons things through, and then catches something odd and ends up hitting on the remaining wolves.

The second player is Visigoth. Nobody has seriously looked his way in 9 days of play either, and he could've easily lone-wolfed his way to a win in The Wolfing Game if it came down to it. Admetus and Ozy were also wolves in that game, and if they're looking for somebody who could last the long haul, Visigoth is going to be at the top of that list. He's been more low-key than Rictus, and I like his contributions, but that's how he built up so much human credibility in the Wolfing Game.

What really caught my eye about both of these players is that their voting patterns have switched after Day 4. Visigoth is known for singleton votes and generally ignoring convention, but since Day 4 he's almost exclusively voted for large bandwagons. Rictus, on the other hand, was voting on large bandwagons until Day 4, and now he's almost exclusively voted on off-wagons.

Honestly, if I'm looking at votes and general posting behavior I'd rather vote for Visigoth, because I think it's really odd for him to vote on so many large bandwagons. But when actual content is factored in, Rictus' abrasive and contentious nature could easily be a wolf ploy to pressure me into making stupid moves or just to throw me off. And I hate that, because I think Rictus is a great player really late in the game when the pressure's on, but when he acts like this all I want to do is lynch him to eliminate the distraction.

Rictus, I'm sorry, but I'm human. I tried to save the twins, I tried to save Smirker, I've explained my reasons for voting and suspicion. My defense of certain players may be motivated by more than just how human I think they are, but I also think they're human. I'd like you to look at the entire playerbase and figure out for yourself whether I should be your primary suspect.

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Re: Round 9: The Giant Robot

Postby Visigoth » 30 Apr 2014, 14:43:53

Classifying me as only voting for singletons is a pretty bad classification. I just don't adhere to the idea that once the likely lynchees have been determined that everyone should consolidate on one of them. So if I hang out a singleton vote I'm voting my best guess at that time. If I end up with a group of people it's still because I'm voting on my best guess at the time. Or I'm voting in self-defense which would obviously put me with a group of people. This seems to be a thing that gets brought up every couple of games yet I'd bet it's statistically worthless for a metric about me.

Seeing as I'm likely getting the lynch I might as well come out though seeing as I still managed to get lynched after claiming Seer I doubt it will help much this game. I can't be part of the Network since I have this crazy straw which prevents them from being able to clone me. Not so crazy now. Getting lynched is of course not totally guaranteed, but it sure feels odd to pick-up 2 back to back votes in 15 minutes like that.

That said I guess I'm going with San simply for defense.

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Re: Round 9: The Giant Robot

Postby Smirker » 30 Apr 2014, 14:45:13

Tentative vote for RETRACTED San. I can easily see him being used as a stealth wolf; because of his usual post pattern and level of activity it makes him a cinch for a end-game wolf (since he's not been eliminated yet).

As others have pointed out. We really need to get a Network tonight because otherwise they will be able to have parity by the end of Round 12 (Yes, I'm assuming that they've not missed any conversions - they have a huge advantage for it and Ozy cancelled the only event that might've prevented a conversion).

[e]: Not being able to see when someone beat me to a post is annoying.. but useful I suppose.. going to keep vote as it is for now.
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Re: Round 9: The Giant Robot

Postby stigmata » 30 Apr 2014, 14:51:50

I'll go for San at the moment. Keeping an eye on the thread, though.

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Re: Round 9: The Giant Robot

Postby Hellheart » 30 Apr 2014, 15:43:11

Smirker wrote:As others have pointed out. We really need to get a Network tonight because otherwise they will be able to have parity by the end of Round 12 (Yes, I'm assuming that they've not missed any conversions - they have a huge advantage for it and Ozy cancelled the only event that might've prevented a conversion).

We have 12 players left, right? That would be parity by tomorrow night if we mislynch both days. They start mauling on Day 11, but it doesn't matter if it goes:

8 humans, 4 Network
7 humans, 4 Network (Day 9 mislynch)
6 humans, 4 Network (Day 10 mislynch)
5 humans, 5 Network (Day 10 conversion, parity win)

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Re: Round 9: The Giant Robot

Postby necklessone » 30 Apr 2014, 15:45:15

San : 5 : FurinMirado, RaveBomb, Visigoth, Smirker, Stigmata
Visigoth : 3 : Antipater, sphenodont, Iron Clad Burrito
RaveBomb : 2 : San, Rictus
Stigmata : 1 : 7-zark-7

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Re: Round 9: The Giant Robot

Postby Hellheart » 30 Apr 2014, 15:45:51

Visigoth wrote:Classifying me as only voting for singletons is a pretty bad classification. I just don't adhere to the idea that once the likely lynchees have been determined that everyone should consolidate on one of them. So if I hang out a singleton vote I'm voting my best guess at that time. If I end up with a group of people it's still because I'm voting on my best guess at the time. Or I'm voting in self-defense which would obviously put me with a group of people. This seems to be a thing that gets brought up every couple of games yet I'd bet it's statistically worthless for a metric about me.

Seeing as I'm likely getting the lynch I might as well come out though seeing as I still managed to get lynched after claiming Seer I doubt it will help much this game. I can't be part of the Network since I have this crazy straw which prevents them from being able to clone me. Not so crazy now. Getting lynched is of course not totally guaranteed, but it sure feels odd to pick-up 2 back to back votes in 15 minutes like that.

That said I guess I'm going with San simply for defense.

The simple fact that you spoke out in your defense goes a long way with me, honestly. I'm looking more at the San votes with a lot of confusion.

Lot of confusion. There are 4 Networkers, and the leading candidate right now is San? The guy who always gets lynched by default when we run out of good choices?

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Re: Round 9: The Giant Robot

Postby Visigoth » 30 Apr 2014, 15:59:58

I'd likely be up for moving assuming a better candidate was found but at this point there'd need to be a lot of switching to make myself feel safe moving my vote. Also just because San sometimes gets lynched for not having a better pick doesn't always mean that it's not the right thing. Hell, if Ozymandias hadn't been shot he too would have been in a similar boat and it would have been a good lynch this time.

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Re: Round 9: The Giant Robot

Postby Hellheart » 30 Apr 2014, 16:18:43

There's got to be something I'm missing. I'm coloring in heatmaps. I have some ideas but I can't figure anything out from the information I have in front of me, and I'm hoping vote timings will give me some insight so I can at least rule out some of my crazier ideas.

I agree that San is sometimes the correct default choice, but I don't think he'd be a conversion target over other possibilities. So if he is Network, either he's the other initial Networker or the Network peeked him with the assumed Role Seer and he had a very strong role.

Since the Network started out with only 2 players and couldn't maul, there's no way they get a quick win. Day 9 is probably around the earliest they could've won (6 Network, 6 humans), and that's only if they knew we'd have 4 Vig shots. They needed to recruit players that could realistically survive 8 lynches (Day 2 conversion ---> Day 10 win), and preferably several more than that since they can't expect the best case scenario to work. I think Day 6 and Day 8 were days where they may instead have tried to convert players with strong roles, but it would have to be incredibly powerful to provide more incentive than simply playing the numbers game.

There's a lot of reasoning here I'm just developing in the last 2 days and couldn't really clog up the thread with. I'm starting to see a couple potential ways things have developed, but I'm finding it difficult if not impossible to determine the most likely scenarios.

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Re: Round 9: The Giant Robot

Postby Rictus » 30 Apr 2014, 16:40:23

(( I've got friends over so I won't be able to post much Or comb threads. But I should be around enough to At least check in before 900. ))
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Re: Round 9: The Giant Robot

Postby Hellheart » 30 Apr 2014, 16:50:36

I don't think wolf-Rictus would beg off here after I seem to be okay with Visigoth. That's an incredibly dangerous move with the wolves this close to winning. I know that's dangerous 2nd level thinking, but anyone who tries 3rd level thinking with me can easily die from the literal approach.

I believe Visigoth for now, or at least I believe him slightly more than Furin. He probably didn't need to make any claim to get San lynched instead.

San is an okay choice, but we need a second choice, and again I'm going to end up going with the reads from the players that I trust.

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