Round 12: The Beehive

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Round 12: The Beehive

Postby necklessone » 02 May 2014, 18:15:01

Plan: Hide in The Mermaid?

I think we're going to have to call that a total wash.

Everything started off so great. Loud music, cold beer, even a quick dance with some of the beautiful local young ladies. Maybe it was the adrenaline, maybe the copious amounts of alcohol, but it was the best time of your life.

And then the beautiful local young ladies opened their mouths and blue light streamed out. Brian was trapped under a horde of them before he even knew what happened.

Hellheart - Buried under a pile of robotic flesh
Brian (Publican 7)
You're the publican of The Two Headed Dog, the seventh pub on the Golden Mile. Your given name is actually Brian, for reasons that are apparent to anyone who watched Spaced.
Your very livelihood depends on entertaining drunks. As a result, you have a number of standard distractions ready whenever you want to lighten things up. You may activate each power below once per game. They will override any planned GM events but have a lower priority than other player's events (your power will not be consumed if another player's power happens). After an event you start begins, you must wait two rounds before you may choose another (eg, if you choose Event 1 on Day 8 it will begin on Day 9. You will not be choose another event on Day 9 or Day 10).
1) Each player will vote to lynch two players during the next Round. The top two vote getters will be eliminated. You may not activate this power if there are 9 or less players in the game.
2) Each player will vote to lynch one player and to reward another player during the next Round. The winner of the reward vote will be immune to lynch on the following Round and will receive information about the player who received the least reward votes. You may not activate this power if there are 6 or less players in the game.
3) The GM will present the players with a choice of 2 or 3 objects and each player must PM their choice during the next Round. The players who choose the object with the least number of votes will be safe from lynch, conversion, or maul during the next Round. You may not activate this power if there are 12 or less players in the game.


Next went the final piece of the Marmalade Sandwich. As Erika was carried away, she could be heard crying "Becky! Tracy! Why are you doing this?"

Stigmata - Reunited with her sandwich
Erika Leekes
You are one part of the "marmalade sandwich" and you are nothing without your fellow members: Blindsniper83 and rekard. When you vote on the same target as Blindsniper83, your vote is doubled. When you vote on the same target as rekard, the total number of votes against you is -1.


The last casualty was Basil. He was a clever old cook who had outwitted them up to this point, but he was no match for their brutality. His cackles filled your ears as the rest of you broke free and sprinted towards The Beehive.

Visigoth - Still crazy, just not about this
They all thought you were crazy, but you've got this all figured out. They'll never get your DNA! You may not be converted. If the Network ever finds out that you are immune to conversion (based on trying to convert you or you giving away too much information about your power to the wrong person), they may opt to kill you instead of converting on their next conversion night.


The Beehive is a brutal fortress guarded by the Blanks. Are you bad enough dudes to get in there, get the beer, and get out alive?

WARNING! There are between 1 and 3 members of the Network left in the game. Today may be a lynch or lose day.

Today is a regular lynch. The day will last 48 hours. There will not be vote locking.

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Re: Round 12: The Beehive

Postby necklessone » 02 May 2014, 18:15:28

Stigmata : 4 : RaveBomb, FurinMirado, Antipater, Smirker
RaveBomb : 3 : Rictus, Stigmata, Visigoth, Iron Clad Burrito, sphenodont

Rictus voted for Smirker (Retracted)
FurinMirado voted for Hellheart (Retracted)
Antipater voted for Visigoth (Retracted)
Rictus voted for RaveBomb
RaveBomb voted for Stigmata
Stigmata voted for RaveBomb
FurinMirado voted for Stigmata
Antipater voted for Stigmata
Visigoth voted for RaveBomb
Smirker voted for Stigmata
Iron Clad Burrito voted for RaveBomb
sphenodont voted for RaveBomb

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Re: Round 12: The Beehive

Postby Rictus » 02 May 2014, 18:21:45

Trying to read the tea leaves...

Stigmata was human?
(the # of networkers dropped to 1-3)

and Visigoth was mauled?
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Re: Round 12: The Beehive

Postby necklessone » 02 May 2014, 18:24:06

Yes and yes.

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Re: Round 12: The Beehive

Postby Iron Clad Burrito » 02 May 2014, 18:30:08

Did you give Rictus access to my board? I see no announcement as such.

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Re: Round 12: The Beehive

Postby Smirker » 02 May 2014, 18:43:58

Erm, i think rave forgot to invite anyone to meta4s board (he has control)
. I hope he sent a pm on it.

I mean it's not been active all day yesterday anyway; but still..

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Re: Round 12: The Beehive

Postby Rictus » 02 May 2014, 18:46:51

necklessone wrote:Yes and yes.


Great.

((I'll admit, I'm at a loss. I don't have an alternate list of wolves. I made a honest evaluation and put it in the day 11 thread. The two options that are staring at me are 1) lynch ravebomb and just go down the list of suspects; or 2) re-evaluate *everyone* to see what I've overlooked. And right now, 3 beers into Friday night, neither one looks like fun))
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Re: Round 12: The Beehive

Postby Smirker » 02 May 2014, 18:57:23

I'm out for tonight. We have all weekend for this.

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Re: Round 12: The Beehive

Postby RaveBomb » 02 May 2014, 21:03:59

Well, fuck.
If our team loses, it's going to be entirely your fault.-rekard
If you still end up losing after this, it's totally not your fault.-Hellheart
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Re: Round 12: The Beehive

Postby FurinMirado » 03 May 2014, 04:20:16

(1) We know Ravebomb was telling the truth about his ability. Does that make him a likely human? Not sure.

(2) We know his ability seems to reduce his bandwagon by 2 votes.

(3) It's unlikely that they would try to convert Visigoth twice, so I'm assuming I blocked a conversion at some point. I wish I knew which one.

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Re: Round 12: The Beehive

Postby Rictus » 03 May 2014, 09:41:04

So I'm not sure how to handle conversions. I decided to italicize Admetus and Ozymandias until the days they had to be networkers.
Day 1: 2 Networkers
Ryvvn : 7 : Okaros, Hellheart, Rictus, Antipater, That PJ
RaveBomb : 4 : Meta4, Simple_Simon, 7-zark-7, Ryvvn
Okaros : 3 : DastardlyOldMan, sphenodont, Ozymandias ?
Hellheart : 2 : San, FurinMirado
Ozymandias ? : 2 : dferrantino, twdog
That PJ : 2 : rekard, Iron Clad Burrito
DastardlyOldMan : 1 : Admetus ?
MaxFrost : 1 : RaveBomb
meta4 : 1 : Clearasday
San : 1 : Smirker
Simple_Simon : 1 : Blindsniper83
sphenodont : 1 : Visigoth
twdog : 1 : MaxFrost
No vote recorded (1) : Stigmata
Ryvvn had their vote moved to RaveBomb

Day 2: 2 Networkers, conversion night
DastardlyOldMan : 8 : MaxFrost, Visigoth, twdog, Smirker, Okaros, That PJ
Hellheart : 4 : rekard, Blindsniper83, Ozymandias ?
San : 4 : Stigmata, Hellheart, Iron Clad Burrito, sphenodont
That PJ : 4 : dferrantino, Antipater, Meta4, Simple_Simon
dferrantino : 1 : FurinMirado
FurinMirado : 1 : DastardlyOldMan
Meta4 : 1 : San
Okaros : 1 : 7-zark-7
sphenodont : 1 : Admetus ?
rekard : 0 : RaveBomb
No vote recorded (2) : Clearasday, Rictus

Day 3: 2-3 Networkers, double vote day (lynch, reward, punish)
rekard : 7 : Hellheart, That PJ, Rictus, sphenodont, Okaros, Iron Clad Burrito, Smirker
Meta4 : 7 : dferrantino, rekard, Ozymandias ?, Rictus, Okaros, Iron Clad Burrito, FurinMirado
Smirker : 4 : San, rekard, dferrantino, sphenodont
Simple_Simon : 4 : Ozymandias ?, FurinMirado, RaveBomb, That PJ
Iron Clad Burrito : 3 : RaveBomb, twdog, Hellheart
Okaros : 3 : Meta4, Stigmata, Blindsniper83
That PJ : 3 : Stigmata, Blindsniper83, Meta4
dferrantino : 2 : Admetus ?, Visigoth
Stigmata : 2 : San, Antipater
Visigoth : 2 : Clearasday, MaxFrost
7-zark-7 : 1 : Visigoth
Admetus ? : 1 : Clearasday
Antipater : 1 : Simple_Simon
Blindsniper83 : 1 : Admetus ?
Clearasday : 1 : MaxFrost
FurinMirado : 1 : Simple_Simon
Hellheart : 1 : twdog
MaxFrost : 1 : Smirker
San : 1 : Antipater
No vote recorded (1) : 7-zark-7
This is the day with no vote manipulations.

Day 4: 2-3 Networkers, conversion night,
Clearasday : 6 : That PJ, Admetus ?, MaxFrost, Okaros
Okaros : 4 : Rictus, Iron Clad Burrito, sphenodont, simple_simon
Admetus ? : 2 : Stigmata, Clearasday
RaveBomb : 2 : Smirker, 7-zark-7
San : 2 : RaveBomb, Hellheart
Smirker : 2 : San, Ozymandias ?
7-zark-7 : 1 : twdog
Iron Clad Burrito : 1 : FurinMirado
Rictus : 1 : Visigoth
Simple_Simon : 1 : Antipater
Visigoth : 1 : dferrantino
No vote recorded (2) : Blindsniper83, Meta4

Day 5: 2-4 Networkers, Admetus MUST be Networker, since he dies before next conversion.
Simple_Simon : 6 : FurinMirado, MaxFrost, Iron Clad Burrito, Smirker, dferrantino, Hellheart
Smirker : 5 : Ozymandias ?, Stigmata, Antipater, sphenodont, Meta4
RaveBomb : 2 : Blindsniper83, twdog
7-zark-7 : 1 : Rictus
Admetus : 1 : RaveBomb
dferrantino : 1 : Admetus
Iron Clad Burrito : 1 : Simple_Simon
Rictus : 1 : 7-zark-7
twdog : 1 : San
Nullified votes (1) : Visigoth
Hellheart voted for Smirker, was moved to Simple_Simon.
Visigoth voted for Simple_Simon, was nullified

Day 6: 2-4 Networkers, conversion night, double vote (lynch, lynch)
dferrantino : 7 : Hellheart, Iron Clad Burrito, Visigoth, Stigmata, sphenodont, FurinMirado, RaveBomb
Meta4 : 6 : Hellheart, Iron Clad Burrito, Visigoth, Smirker, Stigmata, Rictus
Smirker : 6 : FurinMirado, Ozymandias ?, Rictus, 7-zark-7, Meta4, sphenodont
Blindsniper83 : 2 : 7-zark-7, RaveBomb
Iron Clad Burrito : 2 : Smirker, Ozymandias ?
Antipater : 1 : San
MaxFrost : 1 : Blindsniper83
Ozymandias ? : 1 : Meta4
San : 1 : Blindsniper83
sphenodont : 1 : San
No vote recorded (3) : Antipater, dferrantino, MaxFrost
Admetus voted for FurinMirado and Smirker, but was vigged.

Day 7: 2-4 Networkers, Ozymandias MUST be Networker, since he dies before next conversion.
MaxFrost : 6 : Iron Clad Burrito, Blindsniper83, Stigmata, Antipater, Hellheart
Blindsniper83 : 5 : RaveBomb, Visigoth, 7-zark-7, sphenodont, MaxFrost, Smirker
Iron Clad Burrito : 2 : Rictus, Ozymandias
sphenodont : 1 : FurinMirado
Visigoth : 1 : San

Day 8: 2-4 Networkers, conversion night
Blindsniper83 : 5 : Antipater, Iron Clad Burrito, RaveBomb, Visigoth, Smirker
Stigmata : 3 : San, Hellheart, FurinMirado
FurinMirado : 2 : sphenodont, 7-zark-7
Hellheart : 2 : Rictus, Stigmata
Smirker : 1 : Blindsniper83
Ozymandias voted for Iron Clad Burrito, but was vigged.

Day 9: 2-4 Networkers 1-3 Networkers*
San : 5 : FurinMirado, RaveBomb, Visigoth, Stigmata, sphenodont
Visigoth : 3 : Antipater, Iron Clad Burrito, Rictus
FurinMirado : 2 : Smirker, Hellheart
RaveBomb : 1 : San
Stigmata : 1 : 7-zark-7

Day 10: 2-4 Networkers, 1-3 Networkers*, last conversion night
7-zark-7 : 6 : sphenodont, Smirker, Iron Clad Burrito, Hellheart, Stigmata, Rictus
Hellheart : 4 : FurinMirado, RaveBomb, Visigoth, 7-zark-7
Visigoth : 1 : Antipater

Day 11: 1-4 Networkers left per the GM. 1-3 Networkers*

Stigmata : 4 : RaveBomb, FurinMirado, Antipater, Smirker
RaveBomb : 3 : Rictus, Stigmata, Visigoth, Iron Clad Burrito, sphenodont

* = Day 12 started with 1-3 networkers per the GM. Since haven't killed one since Day 8, I have adjusted the potential numbers of networkers earlier days.
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Re: Round 12: The Beehive

Postby Rictus » 03 May 2014, 09:41:47

Necklessone, Rules question. Were the Network allowed to vote "No Conversion"?
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Re: Round 12: The Beehive

Postby Smirker » 03 May 2014, 09:51:28

Rictus wrote:Necklessone, Rules question. Were the Network allowed to vote "No Conversion"?

I was also pondering that. It's in the rules that they must vote for conversion (until the mauling started).

And that's a lot if info; thanks. I'll check it out in bit. Getting things set for kids friends that are coming over

[e]: dammit, I could have sworn I saw that, but I just rep poked at rules and didn't see it. I did see no mauls specified as not allowed... Will look again after I check on when kids are set to show

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Re: Round 12: The Beehive

Postby Iron Clad Burrito » 03 May 2014, 10:10:11

I would guess, based on Visigoths role, that 'no conversion' is possible, since it looks like they could forego a conversion to kill visi.

How likely is it that such an event happened, though, is the $64 question.

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Re: Round 12: The Beehive

Postby Smirker » 03 May 2014, 10:13:08

Ah ha! I reread the rules again and it's in the first post of the rules. While the 'No Maul' is listed as an illegal action later in the thread; apparently the Network could've chosen not to convert (although I honestly don't see how that is anything but a self-punitive and bad strategy).

necklessone wrote:Flow of the Game
Rounds: Each Round, players will vote to eliminate at least one player from the game. There may be other votes or special events during the Round. Rounds that end on a weekday will end after 24 hours and there will be a 48 hour Round over the weekend.
Nights: For every Round, the Network will have a Night. On even numbered Nights, the Network will have a vote on which player to convert to their cause.

Bolded and underlined for emphasis.

[e]: at least I read that as a legal choice. As it doesn't use the word 'must'.

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Re: Round 12: The Beehive

Postby Rictus » 03 May 2014, 10:23:44

I'm trying to match up Furin's published list of GA protections with the above nights to get the numbers to balance, and it's hurting my head.

Night 1: Ozymandias
Night 2: rekard (note: this is why I was sure he was human on Day 3, because he seemed human in the first 2 days and I would have blocked his conversion)
Night 3: That PJ
Night 4: FurinMirado
Night 5: Okaros
Night 6: None (forgot to submit a target, still kicking myself)
Night 7: IronCladBurrito
Night 8: FurinMirado
Night 9: 7-zark-7


We have a max of 3 networkers right now, we've vigged 2. So somewhere in there they were blocked/chose not to convert/forgot to vote twice.
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Re: Round 12: The Beehive

Postby necklessone » 03 May 2014, 11:30:20

Rictus wrote:Necklessone, Rules question. Were the Network allowed to vote "No Conversion"?

No

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Re: Round 12: The Beehive

Postby sphenodont » 04 May 2014, 11:26:05

Gog wonder if someone cast Silence spell, but Eve already dead.

If everyone else is flummoxed, Gog not know what good he will be. Gog mostly good for clearing paths and scaring small children.

Gog thinks he will vote for Antipater to stand watch.

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Re: Round 12: The Beehive

Postby Rictus » 04 May 2014, 13:47:55

So I'm still looking at things, but one thing is bothering me: Meta4's board.

D1: Ravebomb
D3: None
D5: Sphenodont
D7: Smirker
D9: FurinMirado

On Day 7 Smirker joins the board. On Day 8 he shoots Ozymandias. Mega Human cred. On night 8 he would be a *great* target for conversion. Or on Day 10, when we know the GA is powerless.

But apparently it never happened, according to smirker's comment here on Day 11:
This is why I don't think rave is a robot; he'd had to have started as one. That board had a reassuring gm post that it'd be obvious if one of us was converted. This is why sphenodont particular has maintained my trust - and the odds of a robot sphenodont killing the first robot with a lynch for credibility is just too low to even consider - imo


Why didn't the wolves convert *anyone* from that forum? It could be a coincidence. Or they could have been warned about that gm post. Somebody invited a replicant into the Framily.

Smirker, I think you're human. Sphenodont, I think you are as well... even more than Smirker is. But what do you guys think about Ravebomb and/or FurinMirado?
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Re: Round 12: The Beehive

Postby sphenodont » 04 May 2014, 14:17:24

Gog think Zot is typical wizard and places too much stock in his own reading of portents. Either that, or bar wench has Zot (Smirker) wrapped around finger and hanging off every word. (Wizard is horny old man and bar wench have good (big) assets, so Gog not surprised.)

Bar wench said it would be obvious to Gog if Gog had been taken. This was when Gog was confused. Gog is half ogre after all, and never had a cell phone, so Gog think Framily was Network when Framily was just human network. Wench never said party would know when family member was taken by body snatchers. Just that if one was taken by Network, you would get Scroll Of Evil Asshole by private messenger raven.

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Re: Round 12: The Beehive

Postby PA System » 04 May 2014, 14:27:11

Ravebomb for now.

I'm human, because if I was I wouldn't have shot a human 2 days ago pointlessly drawing attention to myself.

However if I were any of you it doesn't seem like a good argument with so few choices.

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Re: Round 12: The Beehive

Postby Smirker » 04 May 2014, 14:35:42

Been running around working on the honey-do list (and still need to weed the lawn).

Rave being so quiet and his insistence to be spying and secret member of of the other private board has well has always struck me as odd. Honestly though at this point I'm reassessing everything. And I really dislike the vote on Antipater; i don't find him to be any more likely to be a robot than he was yesterday (Round 11). Furin strikes me as being a distraction - like Hellheart obviously was. But, honestly I could see it going either way.

I'm just glad we finally have some dialog going. I checked several times last night to make sure my notifications were working OK. And then my wife gave me an impressive list of stuff she really wants done today.. which has already resulted in me getting at least one insect sting. Speaking of which; i need to get back to it before I draw more spouse-aggro. I'll be back in hopefully an hour or less. ;)

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Re: Round 12: The Beehive

Postby Rictus » 04 May 2014, 14:39:55

sphenodont wrote:Gog think Zot is typical wizard and places too much stock in his own reading of portents. Either that, or bar wench has Zot (Smirker) wrapped around finger and hanging off every word. (Wizard is horny old man and bar wench have good (big) assets, so Gog not surprised.)

Bar wench said it would be obvious to Gog if Gog had been taken. This was when Gog was confused. Gog is half ogre after all, and never had a cell phone, so Gog think Framily was Network when Framily was just human network. Wench never said party would know when family member was taken by body snatchers. Just that if one was taken by Network, you would get Scroll Of Evil Asshole by private messenger raven.


Ummm. Well that's a lot different than what Smirker said. Even in ogre speak I understand what you're saying. Dammit, this changes everything (for me).


Edit: Per the rules thread:
necklessone wrote:PM Quoting (cont'd)
All posts from special boards (such as the one granted by Meta4's power) may be quoted, GM included.


Gog's interpretation makes more sense, honestly. But the post could be quoted here if there's any need. 4 of the 7 of us are already in that board, anways.
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Re: Round 12: The Beehive

Postby Smirker » 04 May 2014, 15:20:01

Sure, i'll be happy to post it. here it is with the preceeding and following posts.

sphenodont wrote:Okay, Gog is having lucid moment....

So for those of us who didn't start as Network, what are the rules and roles at play? There isn't anything here about how conversion works and whatnot.

Anyway, I was kind of expecting to find Meta4 here. Rave, not so much. I thought Admetus was a convert, if not a starter.

I started the fight today, replacing the normal events. In addition to that, I also get a vig shot as part of the brawl. (One time ability, but I had to key it up before what happened yesterday. I wanted to knock out one of the twins, to try to clear the air for the human team.)

necklessone wrote:Clarification
This is not the Network forum. If you are converted. it will be 100% obvious.

sphenodont wrote:Oh. okay. That's reassuring then. I was very confused....

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Re: Round 12: The Beehive

Postby Rictus » 04 May 2014, 15:25:55

Ravebombredacted.

Additional things to ponder:
If smirker's Day 11 post about Meta4s board is correct, Antipater is a wolf. No other option. But I think Smirker just misinterpreted it... So I wasted a few hours last night. And it means that any of these 5 could be the last convert:

Ravebomb, Sphenodont, Smirker, FurinMirado, Antipater.

2) Also bothering me is why the wolves mauled Visigoth.
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Re: Round 12: The Beehive

Postby Smirker » 04 May 2014, 15:39:05

... Ok. I can see where I might've misinterpreted that.

I will consider your stance on the others; a big part of my confidence in Rave- because by my thinking, he'd have to have started as a robot - AND be invited to both boards on D1. Which made it seem far far too unlikely. A lack of notification (I was imaging hearing the converted scream or something over the audio connection) makes it far more probable.

Him not even bothering to send out an invite to the Meta4s board for D11 also struck me as odd.

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Re: Round 12: The Beehive

Postby FurinMirado » 04 May 2014, 15:42:13

The mini-marathon went well. The downside is I've spent a lot of time napping and eating to recover. I've had some time to mull things over. My top suspects are Ravebomb and Antipater. In this order:

1. Ravebomb was telling the truth about his ability but that does not mean he is human. I was so sure I had stigmata pegged or Ravebomb was lying about his ability. I did not seriously consider that he may be telling the truth but also be Network. It's really a win-win for him. Either we dogpile him and the voting history tells us nothing or we split and lynch a human.

2. Antipater may simply be a Network robot making less than optimal moves. If one of our grizzled vets is in the Network with him they might be giving him advice on how to play against our preconceived notions of "A Wolf does this..." and "A Wolf never does this...". We should consider the possible scenario that he's actually taking less than optimal actions to gain some human cred.


FWIW, my current theory about the low number of Network robots is that they probably tried to convert Visigoth one day and may have tried to convert one of the people I protected on another day. If it turns out that person was rekard I am going to be so upset.

Edit1: Fixed the vote color

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Re: Round 12: The Beehive

Postby RaveBomb » 04 May 2014, 15:47:38

If I was a human, WHICH I AM, I'd be wondering about these people trying to run a train on me.

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Re: Round 12: The Beehive

Postby FurinMirado » 04 May 2014, 16:12:42

RaveBomb wrote:If I was a human, WHICH I AM, I'd be wondering about these people trying to run a train on me.

Rictus

I just needed to get my vote in before I head out to run errands. I should be back before EOD but I wanted to play it safe and that's where my train of thought is ending right now. If you want to tell me why Rictus is a good candidate for lynch I'll listen.

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Re: Round 12: The Beehive

Postby Smirker » 04 May 2014, 16:12:48

Sorry rave; I've been mulling it over.

I'm simply not reading Rictus as a robot. he's been so helpful and worked so hard on making sure we stay on track. And frankly, I don't think a wolf would've pointed out my error - they would've just chuckled about it on their forum.

Based on your other actions, I keep coming back to the decision that Ravebomb is the best person to stay behind today.

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Re: Round 12: The Beehive

Postby Rictus » 04 May 2014, 16:16:38

So thinking about who they would convert on day 10.

Can anyone offer up a reason as to why they wouldnt convert the GA?

I was assuming that they wouldn't because of his day 9 inclusion into the meta4 forum, but now I can't think of a reason why he wouldn't be a #1 priority.

(I'm sure the dead thread is positively screaming at us by now).
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Re: Round 12: The Beehive

Postby RaveBomb » 04 May 2014, 16:52:53

Y'all are going to be sorry tomorrow.
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Re: Round 12: The Beehive

Postby Rictus » 04 May 2014, 16:54:58

RaveBomb wrote:Y'all are going to be sorry tomorrow.


Unless your role is "prophet of doom", I'm not seeing how you are helping.
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Re: Round 12: The Beehive

Postby Rictus » 04 May 2014, 17:01:40

Current vote tally

Ravebomb: Antipater, Rictus, FurinMirado, Smirker
Antipater: sphenodont
Rictus: Ravebomb

No Vote: Iron Clad Burrito
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Re: Round 12: The Beehive

Postby Iron Clad Burrito » 04 May 2014, 17:07:20

Dang.

Antipater, I guess, too keep another viable candidate?
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Re: Round 12: The Beehive

Postby Smirker » 04 May 2014, 17:13:19

As for them going after the GA; I could definitely see it In fact, he's the one I expected to hear die screaming on Night 10 - or possibly spheno. But, since he had been drawing so much heat; i've been thinking of him as a likely distraction - and they were waiting for us to lynch him. Honestly, I didn't even think there was another vigi like Antipater still out there; so that took me completely by surprise. If i'd had another barstool smashing I likely would've shot him too.

I could also see them converting you, Rictus. But your earlier behavior makes me more comfortable that they didn't. I was semi-working off HH's read on you before as human as he was so sure of it at the end (and largely why I'm giving you initial cred as human); but now I'm reassessing in light of my misread.

My scale of probable humanity goes as follows (The higher in the list - the more probable to be human):

Antipater (the timing on his vigi is completely wrong for a wolf, and his behavior before and after it seem consistent and sincere - I just can't see him being any other level than this)
spheno (he regained much of my trust for pointing out my error. a tad belated, but better slightly late than never)
Rictus (pointed out a lot of good points, getting sincere vibe from him and not a helpful wolf one)
Iron Clad Burrito (has own forum - which was noted on while conversions were going.)
FurinMirado (GA - converting him would allow for removal of an annoyace - seeing as at least a couple of conversions were missed. may have been left alive as lynch distraction as had drawn high heat on D9)
Ravebomb (neglected to do forum invite, ideal position to be spy on two networks, not particularly helpful on discussions, never pointed out my error.)

But, i'm going to review the vote records again and see if anything jumps out at me.

[phantom edit]: I've been interrupted no less than 4 times while starting to type this up. Will still look over votes -- after the current interruption. ARGH!
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Re: Round 12: The Beehive

Postby Rictus » 04 May 2014, 17:13:19

I'm sure this is paranoia, but I will switch to FurinMiradoreacted.

He's the GA, and was depowered on Day 10.

Edit: Gah, I hate this lack of preview!

Honestly Smirker, you have the same 3 top suspects as me. Rave, ICB, and FM.
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Re: Round 12: The Beehive

Postby FurinMirado » 04 May 2014, 17:17:20

Rictus wrote:So thinking about who they would convert on day 10.

Can anyone offer up a reason as to why they wouldnt convert the GA?

I was assuming that they wouldn't because of his day 9 inclusion into the meta4 forum, but now I can't think of a reason why he wouldn't be a #1 priority.

(I'm sure the dead thread is positively screaming at us by now).

I don't know if this means much coming from me, but what about risk? I was very nearly lynched on two different days and it happened really quickly near the end of the day. They probably didn't want to take the risk that I would simply get lynched the very day after they converted me. Especially since it appears they were down 2 people already. Please remember that we are only looking at 3 Network players (possibly less) so they probably went for the safest conversion candidate.

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Re: Round 12: The Beehive

Postby Smirker » 04 May 2014, 17:51:51

The main thing jumping out on me on the vote is that spheno jumped around even more than I did. But, at least we elicited responses.

I'm moving Antipater down on my scale though. Too reminiscent of the Too Many Seers game where I thought a newbie was too unlikely to be a wolf due to 'wrong' tactics and freshness to the game. this wolf team had Ozy AND Admetus in it; so extra caution is appropriate. You don't think that his vig on HellHeart was so early because he'd afraid that HH would notice his physical behavior was different when he saw him later during the day; do you?

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Re: Round 12: The Beehive

Postby sphenodont » 04 May 2014, 17:55:09

Gog also think that Eve is a tricky bitch and would be perfectly okay with asking a fellow wizard to blast her. Gog has not fully cleared Zot of suspicion.

Then again, Gog have very big head, but very small brain. Gog suspects everyone, including Gogself.



(Eve = Ozy, who is not really a bitch. "Fellow wizard" = Smirker, who is still ogling the bar wench...)

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Re: Round 12: The Beehive

Postby Rictus » 04 May 2014, 17:57:35

Smirker wrote:The main thing jumping out on me on the vote is that spheno jumped around even more than I did. But, at least we elicited responses.

I'm moving Antipater down on my scale though. Too reminiscent of the Too Many Seers game where I thought a newbie was too unlikely to be a wolf due to 'wrong' tactics and freshness to the game. this wolf team had Ozy AND Admetus in it; so extra caution is appropriate. You don't think that his vig on HellHeart was so early because he'd afraid that HH would notice his physical behavior was different when he saw him later during the day; do you?


Originally I said he was strong human. Then this weekend I thought he was the perfect day 10 convert. And I agreed with your line of thinking about how he could be a wolf and playing 'newbie'. Personally, I also thought that I was giving too much credit to the wolves.... A lot of times we think wolves play perfectly, but they're human to.

My problem is I'm finding about 4 wolves, and there's only 3.

I want to lynch Ravebomb but make sure the second target is a wolf as well incase his power causes it to shift.

And no idea how many responses have been made while typing this.
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Re: Round 12: The Beehive

Postby Rictus » 04 May 2014, 17:59:03

Back to Ravebomb with 2 mins.
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Re: Round 12: The Beehive

Postby Iron Clad Burrito » 04 May 2014, 17:59:35

Ravebomb, to counter other activities seen in this thread


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