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Night 7: Good news and bad news

Postby necklessone » 27 Apr 2014, 18:16:28

The good news, old Furin, is that you weren't converted Day 4.

The bad news, new Furin, is that you not being converted leaves your new home down a member.

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Re: Night 7: Good news and bad news

Postby Iron Clad Burrito » 27 Apr 2014, 18:33:29

Welcome, new Furin!

What do you bring to the party...

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Re: Night 7: Good news and bad news

Postby FurinMirado » 27 Apr 2014, 18:36:53

Ah ha ha ha!

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Re: Night 7: Good news and bad news

Postby FurinMirado » 27 Apr 2014, 18:38:55

So it looks like I blocked my own conversion on Night 4. Oh yes, I'm the GA.

Also, if I vote for someone two days in a row my vote is worth 2. If I vote for them three days in a row my vote is worth 3. That is the maximum.

Added: I haven't used my vote add power yet because it will be pretty obvious when I use it. I'm worried about some backlash after I use it. So I wasn't going to vote for Smirker again. That means I would fall back to voting for ICB. Thoughts on that?

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Re: Night 7: Good news and bad news

Postby Ozymandias » 27 Apr 2014, 19:13:14

FurinMirado wrote:So it looks like I blocked my own conversion on Night 4. Oh yes, I'm the GA.

Sweet!

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Re: Night 7: Good news and bad news

Postby Ozymandias » 27 Apr 2014, 19:20:50

Furin, while the painful memory of not being part of the Network is still fresh, would you mind ranking how suspicious you viewed the 15 remaining players?

Who were your top Network candidates? And most probable Humans?

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Re: Night 7: Good news and bad news

Postby Ozymandias » 27 Apr 2014, 19:26:01

FurinMirado wrote:Added: I haven't used my vote add power yet because it will be pretty obvious when I use it. I'm worried about some backlash after I use it. So I wasn't going to vote for Smirker again. That means I would fall back to voting for ICB. Thoughts on that?

Problem is I'm going to have to keep voting for ICB today.

Let's see what other board thinks of Smirker today.

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Re: Night 7: Good news and bad news

Postby Ozymandias » 27 Apr 2014, 19:49:36

Furin, do you think you can justify a vote for Blindsniper?

He and Smirker are the top two suspects on the other board.

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Re: Night 7: Good news and bad news

Postby Ozymandias » 27 Apr 2014, 19:51:53

Ozymandias wrote:
FurinMirado wrote:Added: I haven't used my vote add power yet because it will be pretty obvious when I use it. I'm worried about some backlash after I use it. So I wasn't going to vote for Smirker again. That means I would fall back to voting for ICB. Thoughts on that?

Problem is I'm going to have to keep voting for ICB today.

Let's see what other board thinks of Smirker today.

You know what? I screwed up-- I forgot Smirker was my top suspect!

So I will be voting for Smirker today-- right now, in fact.

Which means you should be able to vote for ICB later.

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Re: Night 7: Good news and bad news

Postby Ozymandias » 27 Apr 2014, 20:02:52

Though come to think of it, Furin, maybe you should vote for Blind after all?

Because I'm kind of setting up ICB to be lynched tomorrow, and it would be nice for you to be in on the killing vote.

But if you vote for him today and tomorrow, then you might give away your VM power?

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Re: Night 7: Good news and bad news

Postby Iron Clad Burrito » 27 Apr 2014, 20:19:34

I'm out for the night.

I probably won't have soccer practice (due to rain), but will be checking in on the phone sporadically until at least 6p EDT.

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Re: Night 7: Good news and bad news

Postby FurinMirado » 28 Apr 2014, 03:59:57

Pre-conversion this is what I was thinking:

Possible Network:
ICB

Possible Converts:
Ozymandias (Night 2 or 4)
FurinMirado (Night 2 or 4)
Hellheart (feeling Human, good Night 6 convert)
sphenodont (shot Network, likely Human, good Night 6 convert)

Unknown:
All the rest


With dferrantino revealing as Human that pretty much kills the idea that he might have been working with Smirker. I'm working with the idea that if sphenodont is a Human vigilante, could Smirker be a Network vigilante to balance?


I could vote Hellheart or sphenodont and use the idea that one of them would have been a really nice Night 6 convert. That would free me up to vote for IronCladBurrito tomorrow.


OTOH, if I vote for IronCladBurrito today and tomorrow then my double vote may be seen in a better light since I used it to take down a Networker.

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Re: Night 7: Good news and bad news

Postby Iron Clad Burrito » 28 Apr 2014, 04:32:05

There's an upside to killing me today, as that will cause havoc on my board, especially with whoever I add tonight. Ozy has laid the groundwork already.

If tomorrow works better for you, that's good too.

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Re: Night 7: Good news and bad news

Postby Ozymandias » 28 Apr 2014, 08:18:58

FurinMirado wrote:OTOH, if I vote for IronCladBurrito today and tomorrow then my double vote may be seen in a better light since I used it to take down a Networker.

I'm thinking it might be better to save it as a surprise so that you have the option of using it to win the game.

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Re: Night 7: Good news and bad news

Postby FurinMirado » 28 Apr 2014, 08:29:18

The trick is posting a vote while still sounding the same as prior days. I have to disengage from being the guy that identified both Ozy and ICB as possible Networkers and move to someone that will use a different tactic and vote for Human after Human.

I could go after players who might be good Night 6 converts. Hellheart, sphenodont, maybe Antipater. Thoughts? I don't want to call them out as good converts if we're actually planning on converting them. Counter-productive, right? :lol:

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Re: Night 7: Good news and bad news

Postby Ozymandias » 28 Apr 2014, 08:46:20

FurinMirado wrote:The trick is posting a vote while still sounding the same as prior days. I have to disengage from being the guy that identified both Ozy and ICB as possible Networkers and move to someone that will use a different tactic and vote for Human after Human.

Except that we can potentially fix that after your vote by converting whomever you vote for.

FurinMirado wrote:I could go after players who might be good Night 6 converts. Hellheart, sphenodont, maybe Antipater. Thoughts? I don't want to call them out as good converts if we're actually planning on converting them. Counter-productive, right? :lol:

Not necessarily-- calling someone out as a good convert target would lesson everyone's expectation of their future conversion, due to the GA. So unless players really believe they've already been converted, it could work for us.

Take sphenodont, for example. I think a lot of players would expect the GA to have protected him yesterday-- or at least for the Network to be afraid of such protection. (Note you can counter by arguing that the GA may have protected himself on Nights 2 and 6.) So bringing him up as a target now could make him look less suspicious later. And there is a good chance we'll convert him, due to his position on both private boards.

Alternatively Hellheart I don't think we will convert, because his association with ICB and his board should taint him pretty severely after ICB dies.

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Re: Night 7: Good news and bad news

Postby FurinMirado » 28 Apr 2014, 09:28:20

I'll get my thoughts together to post a vote for sphenodont then.

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Re: Night 7: Good news and bad news

Postby Ozymandias » 28 Apr 2014, 09:38:06

Just some random thoughts in case I get vigged:

(1) It wouldn't surprise if there were more games and Vig rewards such that the game doesn't even last until Day 11.

(2) Now that Admetus is dead, finding the Role Seer is not quite as urgent. I'm still worried he'll expose me as the event canceller, but you two should be fine.

(3) In fact, Furin, if you ever get in lynch trouble, you may want to role claim GA. Aside from giving the Humans pause, it could also give the rest of the Network a pretext to save you.

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Re: Night 7: Good news and bad news

Postby FurinMirado » 28 Apr 2014, 09:57:23

Yeah, I'm still going to come out as the GA if I end up in danger. I don't know if that will help too much, but maybe it can delay things for a day or two.

On a side note, the reason I was so sure about rekard was because I protected him on Night 2 and I was fairly sure he was Human before that.

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Re: Night 7: Good news and bad news

Postby Ozymandias » 28 Apr 2014, 10:47:44

FurinMirado wrote:Yeah, I'm still going to come out as the GA if I end up in danger. I don't know if that will help too much, but maybe it can delay things for a day or two.

On a side note, the reason I was so sure about rekard was because I protected him on Night 2 and I was fairly sure he was Human before that.

Interesting-- though if you role claim, you may not want to admit to it.

It might be more advantageous to claim that you protected yourself on Nights 2 and 6-- especially if you have to role claim on Day 9 or Day 10, since then you could claim to protect yourself on Night 10.

That version would also explain why you're worried about Spheno being converted on Night 6.

btw, who did you actually protect last night?

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Re: Night 7: Good news and bad news

Postby Iron Clad Burrito » 28 Apr 2014, 15:17:30

Hm. Holding the vote for defensive purposes again, as is my MO. Should I aim to die tonight, or is tomorrow better? Either way, I'm hoping to get in a bit more serious trouble before I drop the request for Zark.

Neckless - I will be recruiting Zark to my clandestine network. Please consider this the official request, although I will probably post that in the forum in the waning minutes of the day.

Now off to pay a mechanic for an hour's fruitless labor. Back later.

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Re: Night 7: Good news and bad news

Postby Ozymandias » 28 Apr 2014, 15:28:05

Iron Clad Burrito wrote:Hm. Holding the vote for defensive purposes again, as is my MO. Should I aim to die tonight, or is tomorrow better?

I don't see the rush. If Blind gets lynched today, you might last until Day 9 if we can take out Smirker.

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Re: Night 7: Good news and bad news

Postby Ozymandias » 28 Apr 2014, 15:29:28

wow, Maxfrost just very suspiciously switched his vote off the leader.

Maybe one of you can point out how odd that is with VM powers in play?

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Re: Night 7: Good news and bad news

Postby Iron Clad Burrito » 28 Apr 2014, 16:52:02

Ozymandias wrote:
Iron Clad Burrito wrote:Hm. Holding the vote for defensive purposes again, as is my MO. Should I aim to die tonight, or is tomorrow better?

I don't see the rush. If Blind gets lynched today, you might last until Day 9 if we can take out Smirker.

I'm going to vote blind just because of the swich-off, a-la Ozy.

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Re: Night 7: Good news and bad news

Postby Ozymandias » 28 Apr 2014, 16:52:29

ICB, if no one else votes for Smirker, I may need to switch onto you.

Though I suppose I could just pretend to be offline?

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Re: Night 7: Good news and bad news

Postby Ozymandias » 28 Apr 2014, 16:52:50

Iron Clad Burrito wrote:I'm going to vote blind just because of the swich-off, a-la Ozy.

Makes sense.

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Re: Night 7: Good news and bad news

Postby Iron Clad Burrito » 28 Apr 2014, 16:54:06

Ozymandias wrote:ICB, if no one else votes for Smirker, I may need to switch onto you.

Though I suppose I could just pretend to be offline?


Pretending to be offline is fun. And gives you something to complain about when you "return."

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Re: Night 7: Good news and bad news

Postby Ozymandias » 28 Apr 2014, 17:10:12

Furin, if you need some justification to switch off of spheno onto Blind or Maxfrost, I could post the following:

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FurinMirado wrote:I had to get back home, check the rules and do some math on this one, but I think the GA would be protecting himself on Night 6.

Night 1 - protect someone else
Night 2 - conversion night, protect self
Night 3 - protect someone else
Night 4 - conversion night, can't protect self yet, protect someone else
Night 5 - protect someone else
Night 6 - conversion night, if not converted on Night 4 then protect self

So sphenodont could have been vulnerable if the GA followed this pattern. Though, having now typed this out, I'm not sure how likely that might be. We're not exactly known for making optimal plays.

I think there's a good chance that's exactly what the GA did-- it's certainly what I would have done.

But I don't think it's more than, say, 50% likely that the GA protected himself last night.

So I don't think the Network would accept such a high risk of failure on an obvious conversion target like post-vig spheno.

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But I won't post this unless it will help you switch since otherwise I may just pretend I'm offline.

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Re: Night 7: Good news and bad news

Postby FurinMirado » 28 Apr 2014, 17:13:43

I've already set myself up for a vote switch so you might as well just hang back. If I vote switch it will have to be with very good reason.

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Re: Night 7: Good news and bad news

Postby Iron Clad Burrito » 28 Apr 2014, 17:39:25

Oh, this is fucking PRETTY.

Hellheart just lost all trust for Zark with that vote, and has asked me to consider someone else (no suggestions yet). I've countered with believing in Zark's vote, and I think Zark believes in me, and oh this will be so pretty when I die

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Re: Night 7: Good news and bad news

Postby Ozymandias » 28 Apr 2014, 17:41:05

Furin, what are you going to do?

Pondering if/when I should switch to ICB.

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Re: Night 7: Good news and bad news

Postby FurinMirado » 28 Apr 2014, 17:47:19

I'm holding back, for good or ill. Any move I make is going to look fishy.

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Re: Night 7: Good news and bad news

Postby Ozymandias » 28 Apr 2014, 17:51:27

FurinMirado wrote:I'm holding back, for good or ill. Any move I make is going to look fishy.

Good call.

There's plenty going on right now.

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Re: Night 7: Good news and bad news

Postby Iron Clad Burrito » 28 Apr 2014, 17:56:31

This is working out perfectly, except we need to watch for sphen.

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Re: Night 7: Good news and bad news

Postby FurinMirado » 28 Apr 2014, 17:58:56

Hm, this is deja vu of Round 3. I feel like I should post a vote for ICB early tomorrow, assuming we're still going with that plan.

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Re: Night 7: Good news and bad news

Postby Iron Clad Burrito » 28 Apr 2014, 18:00:13

I may not have to die yet. Gods, if I can get one more recruit...


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