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Night 3. Hush.

Postby rekard » 21 May 2014, 18:40:50

Rave is on the ropes. Can you get him back?

Sphenodont is not the nutjob.

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Re: Night 3. Hush.

Postby Okaros » 21 May 2014, 18:59:44

wtf? We had Furin->Zark->Ryvvn for the maul contingencies.

Either Furin has a redirect power, or someone used one on Furin. Either way, I think it was switched to Ryvvn deliberately. Simon's an obvious suspect there, but perhaps too obvious.

(Alternatively, one of the wolves has a power that lets them override the maul vote somehow).

That redirect is no particular skin off the back of the wolves this time. I'll probably submit Furin->Zark again for the maul, this time with ->twdog on the end.

Still trying to decide how to respond in the wolf thread (I've been silent so far).



Anyone have thoughts on trying to resurrect Rave today?


With regards to our Seer power... Getting closer to closer to just saying "screw it" and not seering at all anymore. Each time we do we run the risk of revealing our existance and while role info is handy I'm not sure it's worth the risk.
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Re: Night 3. Hush.

Postby rekard » 21 May 2014, 19:03:08

Seering does not reveal or help reveal your existence.

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Re: Night 3. Hush.

Postby Rictus » 21 May 2014, 19:24:01

a) rekard, are we psychopaths? Still not sure of how that word is used in Wolf Games.

b) I'm all for voting for Ravebomb. He's a human, and while something *bad* may happen, since we're probably the bad people, it might work out for us. I don't expect anyone to bring back the wolves, so it's just Rave vs Admetus vs No Vote.

c) I would approach the wolf thread with "Hey, one of us is a mole, but we need to keep mauling. So let's at least keep talking. Plus there's a 20% chance that Stigmata was the mole and we're good now. "
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Re: Night 3. Hush.

Postby rekard » 21 May 2014, 19:26:37

In these games, psychopaths is a term for players that have the goal to win alone and have their own victory conditions. You're a team faction. Like the wolves, but with different skills.

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Re: Night 3. Hush.

Postby Okaros » 21 May 2014, 19:38:05

rekard wrote:Seering does not reveal or help reveal your existence.


But we're revealed if we seer the nutjob, yeah?

From the Night Zero thread:

Tell me the target and you will get revealed if he is the nutjob. If he is not, you might get a role reveal if that player has one.


Were you meaning that if we seer someone and they're the nutjob then that fact will be revealed to *us*?
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Re: Night 3. Hush.

Postby rekard » 21 May 2014, 19:40:02

Sorry. Bad phrasing. It will be revealed to you.

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Re: Night 3. Hush.

Postby Okaros » 21 May 2014, 19:44:40

rekard wrote:Sorry. Bad phrasing. It will be revealed to you.


Okay, well that's *much* safer, hah!

In that case:
Seer: Simple_Simon


Rictus wrote:c) I would approach the wolf thread with "Hey, one of us is a mole, but we need to keep mauling. So let's at least keep talking. Plus there's a 20% chance that Stigmata was the mole and we're good now. "


That makes sense to us since we know there's a secret faction that doesn't get revealed on death (yet). As far as the *wolves* know the traitor should get revealed on death.

I'll probably leave that part out. Going to go repurpose my Hellheart thread into a general-purpose lie-crafting thread and do some post-drafting there.


Edit: First draft done. Pondering it for a bit before posting it.

The wolf thread continues to be dead silent post Start-of-Night 3.
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Re: Night 3. Hush.

Postby Okaros » 21 May 2014, 21:25:55

And posted.
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Re: Night 3. Hush.

Postby Okaros » 22 May 2014, 06:14:03

Just gave Hellheart a truthful read/analysis dump via PM. Should earn me some human-cred with him, I think.

I've also added confirmed roles and seer results to the Sikrit Secrets thread.

meta4 seems at least slightly willing to discuss mauls, and is backing up my Furin->Zark repeat-maul. Otherwise things are silent on the western front.



It's Day Three, so I need to get out of singleton mode and contribute analyzeable votes now. If possible, I'd like to be the second vote on Simon but only after one or two others have gotten initial votes.
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Re: Night 3. Hush.

Postby Rictus » 22 May 2014, 06:20:40

At the beginning of this night, I received an anonymous PM: "I know."

That was all it said.

So after mulling it over, a couple of options:
1) I was seered as a spy.
2) actions triggered our reveal.
3) someone is testing me, probing for info.
4) this was a scripted event from our GM.

Ps: i haven't sent or received any PMs, so no possible eavesdropper. Have any of you mentioned my name in a PM?
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Re: Night 3. Hush.

Postby Okaros » 22 May 2014, 06:26:01

Rictus wrote:Ps: i haven't sent or received any PMs, so no possible eavesdropper. Have any of you mentioned my name in a PM?


I just mentioned your name to Hellheart in my PM about 20 minutes ago. Said you were reading slightly human, caveat'd by the fact that you tend to read wolfy to me when you're human and that I'm trying to correct/account for that.

No mention of you (or anyone else on the team) prior to that in PMs. I've been a PM lightweight so far.

My initial guess/suspicion is that it's someone with an anonymous-PM power trying to rattle you.


Edit: MEM suggests Zark->Furin instead of Furin->Zark. Speculates that a weird PM he got from dferr yesterday might be the source of the leak?

That's all 3 wolves continuing to at least tentatively work together. Not going to jump on the "oh, it was a PM reveal not a spy" thing immediately, but if Meta warms to the notion I'll at least ruminate over the notion publicly in the wolf forum. Maybe send Meta a carefully-worded PM? Hrm.
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Re: Night 3. Hush.

Postby Okaros » 22 May 2014, 07:57:59

Huh. We seered spheno so we know he's not the nutjob, so that "please don't kill all the wolves" thing he just posted means he's either in contact with the nutjob or has a secret team himself.

It's probably safe to assume people are going to be looking for a third faction, or at least the psychopaths for now.
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Re: Night 3. Hush.

Postby rekard » 22 May 2014, 08:06:06

Be wary of revealing your faction or a mere existence of it in public. It could be tip off the nutjob, and it would be really bad. It could rush whatever he could be planning.

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Re: Night 3. Hush.

Postby Okaros » 22 May 2014, 08:44:22

!!!!!

So, my trying to work with Hellheart pays off, but not in the way I expect:



Got a PM with a substantial chunk of information in it. I've quoted its entirety in the new mailbox thread I just created.

In summary:
1) He claims to know I'm a wolf
2) Says he knows for a fact that there are at least 2, possibly 3 traitor wolves.
3) there's at least one group that can convert people
4) there's at least two sociopaths that grow stronger each day
5) there are some plain humans that win if all the wolves are eliminated
6) he's part of a faction and is asking if I'm willing to work with them in order to sort out who's who
7) He says he/his faction knew about the three wolves in the wagons (implying that he belongs to one of the factions with a traitor wolf)


He wants to know if I'm willing to help his faction out, offering protection/human-cred if I agree.

I'll agree of course, just need to figure out how to respond so that it keeps him thinking I'm not part of a competing faction. If he thinks I'm the token "normal" wolf I'll be the wolf they want to keep around as a "pet".

So yeah. Time for team battle!
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Re: Night 3. Hush.

Postby Okaros » 22 May 2014, 12:47:47

Responded to Hellheart. This should be interesting.
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Re: Night 3. Hush.

Postby Rictus » 22 May 2014, 12:59:52

Sphenodont sent me a PM, said he was asked to pull his vote off of me. He is hunting psychopaths, and someone vouched for me.
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Re: Night 3. Hush.

Postby Aldax » 22 May 2014, 13:38:39

No news from my front...I'll probably post my vote later in the day, after I sort out some things here at work and school :flail:
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Re: Night 3. Hush.

Postby Okaros » 22 May 2014, 14:23:12

I'd just like to go on record as saying this is (so far) an excellent level of paranoia you've created in everybody, rekard. Secret factions and sham wolf vs. human game trappings? Well done. Shenanigans and more shenanigans indeed. :)
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Re: Night 3. Hush.

Postby Rictus » 22 May 2014, 14:57:59

Ok, here's what I think:

20 players. 5 wolves.

4 sets of 5. 3 Humans, 1 Wolf, and 1 hunted.

The 4 hunted are the psychopaths, they don't have a forum or a team... but they have some sort of significant powers.

Wolves are going to end up as a sort of 'Negotiation tank' where the 4 teams can get together and decide things out.



Anyways, that's my thoughts. It might be best to have an aligned team so you don't get hunted.

Problem with my theory: Once word was out it'd be trivial to identify the non-team-claimed people.
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Re: Night 3. Hush.

Postby rekard » 22 May 2014, 15:37:39

You all feel uncomfortable. An evil presence as if something or someone got really angry

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Re: Night 3. Hush.

Postby Okaros » 22 May 2014, 16:23:19

Well *that* is ominous-sounding.



I suspect it's a result of spheno saying too much in public.

In the reply PM I just got from Hellheart (posted in the Mailbox thread) he's also thinking spheno provoked the wrath of...

Hey rekard, what deity do the Drakerians worship?


Anyway, Hellheart says his team's wolf is one of the dead and isn't the traitor RaveBomb was talking to (duh). So, no luck in using him to help control the maul vote (not that I'm having any difficulty doing that on my own atm :twisted: ), but it's an additional avenue of misinformation available since he won't have access to the contents of the wolf forum. He seems legitimately interested in teaming up with me into at least endgame, so I intend to play along and see how much information/influence/protection for myself I can wring out of him. We fully expect the other to backstab as endgame approaches, so there's that unfortunately, but perhaps a better solution will present itself by then.

When I have PMs again tomorrow, I'm thinking I'll mention that Ryvvn was not the intended maul target and feed him some of the team affiliation analysis that I can suss out. I'm going to chew on that tonight, and I'll warn you guys of what I'm seeing and what I intend to send to HH with regards to our own affiliations.
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Re: Night 3. Hush.

Postby rekard » 22 May 2014, 16:40:09

Seer target?

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Re: Night 3. Hush.

Postby Rictus » 22 May 2014, 16:42:21

I don't have a better answer yet, so go with Okaros suggestion... seer: Simple Simon.
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Re: Night 3. Hush.

Postby Okaros » 22 May 2014, 16:42:27

rekard wrote:Seer target?


I had Seer: Simple_Simon up above.

How about...

Seer: Simple_Simon->Antipater

as an added conditional.
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Re: Night 3. Hush.

Postby Okaros » 22 May 2014, 16:51:09

Also, are we set on trying to bring Rave back to life?
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Re: Night 3. Hush.

Postby Rictus » 22 May 2014, 16:53:31

Okaros wrote:Also, are we set on trying to bring Rave back to life?

I am.
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Re: Night 3. Hush.

Postby Rictus » 22 May 2014, 17:25:16

Has anyone talked to Sphenodont? He claims to have talked with my teammate.
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Re: Night 3. Hush.

Postby Okaros » 22 May 2014, 17:29:29

Rictus wrote:Has anyone talked to Sphenodont? He claims to have talked with my teammate.


Not a peep on my end.


Speaking of, got a PM from Admetus encouraging me to vote no-revive and wanting me to distrust Hellheart. Amusing. :)

I replied in kind re: Hellheart, said I was uncertain about my revival vote (and that I wasn't sure I agreed with the severity of the penalties) and asked if he was dead-set on not being revived himself. No answer yet.


Wolves are starting to debate the merits of trying to revive stig. I'm putting in a preference for "no revive" there in order to maintain my "normal" wolfiness.


Edit: Submitted my own revival vote for Rave.
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Re: Night 3. Hush.

Postby Aldax » 22 May 2014, 17:35:53

Rictus wrote:Has anyone talked to Sphenodont? He claims to have talked with my teammate.

he hasn't contacted me tho
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Re: Night 3. Hush.

Postby Okaros » 22 May 2014, 17:41:37

Simon's in a faction with a wolf-spy. He just PM'd me and threatened to out me if I don't pull my vote off him. He also said he knows who the mole is. I countered by asking for the name of the mole.

I don't mind moving off him, this should be interesting.
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Re: Night 3. Hush.

Postby Rictus » 22 May 2014, 17:48:50

No time right now but we should start trying to put together the other teams based on who is defending which wolf, and PMs
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Re: Night 3. Hush.

Postby Okaros » 22 May 2014, 17:49:35

Rictus wrote:No time right now but we should start trying to put together the other teams based on who is defending which wolf, and PMs


Yup, working on that right now in fact.
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Re: Night 3. Hush.

Postby Okaros » 22 May 2014, 17:54:00

Oh, given Simon's message can we change the seer target? He's unlikely to be the nutjob.


Seer: Antipater->twdog
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Re: Night 3. Hush.

Postby Rictus » 22 May 2014, 17:59:19

Seer antipater.
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