Your Likeness Shall be Hung from the Wall (The Dead Thread)

[Ozymandias]

The GM doesn't have to insist on receiving a copy of each PM.

[Clearasday]

I do. CONTROL. I must have all of it.

[Ozymandias]

Well, you could also only let each player only PM every other player once per day.

That should greatly limit the amount of PMs.

[Clearasday]

Dont worry, I've already thought of a hundred ways to further complicate this game. Your ideas are not falling on deaf ears. The vig cult was actually cut and worked much like you suggested, because I stressed too much last time I ran a game from needless things like PMs and roles that interconnected too much. I decided that Masked accounts were enough complication this time. A masked account open PM multifaction cult conversion almost-everyone-is-special-game would need 3 CAD GMs.

[rekard]

So what if Visigoth chooses to convert Hadrian? Would he get priority if the other cult decides to convert him? Given that he can't convert every day, it would be probably fair given the risks involved with his "I die, everyone dies" disadvantage.

[Clearasday]

Will post cult heirarchy of conversion when on pc

[Clearasday]

favored

If a cult wants to gain my favour they should use my language.

[Hellheart]

Thank God nobody else is going for Smirker today.

You will die tonight, Wasabi, but your conversion choice has ensured that our cult will survive for at least one more day.

Well done.

[Okaros]

All the commentary today about identifying masks based on the formatting of the vote histories is reminding to go spend some more time polishing up my Big Board. Hmmm.

[Clearasday]

Looks like the cults might be fighting over the same targets tonight from what I've seen in my brief scan.

[Ozymandias]

Looks like the cults might be fighting over the same targets tonight from what I've seen in my brief scan.

I think just Slaves and Shamblers-- who has priority?

Bloods are killing Romulus, not trying to convert him like Ducks.

[Ozymandias]

Why does Romulus' supposed faction going after Admetus affect their Night Kill?

They were converting Romulus, not killing him.

[Hellheart]

YES! TWO MAN ECHO CHAMBER FAIL!

Masons for life!

[Ozymandias]

YES! TWO MAN ECHO CHAMBER FAIL!

Masons for life!

Might be a pyrrhic victory, with the Slaves getting the Seer.

Good chance they can win tomorrow night, especially with Blindsniper's vig.

[Hellheart]

All the commentary today about identifying masks based on the formatting of the vote histories is reminding to go spend some more time polishing up my Big Board. Hmmm.

No kidding. I would never have posted a tally this game. I'd have to format it manually, and that's just not worth the effort. Posting my tally with retractions is a dead fucking giveaway.

[Ozymandias]

Dont worry, I've already thought of a hundred ways to further complicate this game.

I think the one thing you really need to fix is to figure out how to get people to post more in the Day thread.

That's a notorious problem for masked account games.

[Okaros]

I think the one thing you really need to fix is to figure out how to get people to post more in the Day thread.

That's a notorious problem for masked account games.

Give everyone a "secret" 3 post, 1 paragraph minimum requirement as part of their role/power.

[Clearasday]

Looks like the cults might be fighting over the same targets tonight from what I've seen in my brief scan.

I think just Slaves and Shamblers-- who has priority?

Bloods are killing Romulus, not trying to convert him like Ducks.

This is how I had the conversion priority set up.

Dead Convert
Vampires Convert
Duck Convert

Slaves Convert / Chickens of Repute Convert (Whichever has less wins or coinflip if equal)
Marines Convert or Kill

Masons Convert


Basically I prioritised the cults that were centralised around a leader or could not convert every day. Putting the Marines last, Masons last and Ducks high up also increases the chance of murder happening a lot.

[Clearasday]

Dont worry, I've already thought of a hundred ways to further complicate this game.

I think the one thing you really need to fix is to figure out how to get people to post more in the Day thread.

That's a notorious problem for masked account games.

Easiest way to do that is take a leaf out of rekard's book and make there be day by day events that people have to either campaign for or vote other people in for. Gives another avenue of discussion.

[Ozymandias]

Who got lynched?

[Clearasday]

I've got:

Marius (5) - Caligula, Cincinnatus, Caracalla, Romulus, Valentinian
Caligula (5) - Cicero, Marius, Commodus, Nero, Remus
Romulus (3) - Domitian, Sulla, Augustus
Domitian (2) - Caesar, Constantine
Hadrian (1) - Pompey
Pompey (1) - Hadrian

With Commodus' power tiebreaking the lynch against Caligula.

[Clearasday]

French has been restored.

I really thought about lying who I was, but that probably would not have gone over well. I'm still reserving the right to snipe-recruit someone into Constantine's forum.

For tonight, let's seer Romulus > Caesar > Marius.

[Hellheart]

So Admetus is surviving today, which is probably good because the Ducks need to figure out who's about to win and kill someone in that group.

[Clearasday]

Well, I'm glad they're in such a sharing mood.

I have voted for you because today is not the day I die.

How right, for death comes tonight

Two moments that I particularly liked today.

[Clearasday]

Hadrian is dying as he was converted to the dead by Visigoth as Visigoth died. That's all you forgot Ozy I think.

[7-zark-7]

For what it's worth, I wouldn't have played if this were a PM game.

I would have been seriously tempted (it is a CAD game), & simultaneously pissed (PM games require a lot of effort as I don't break character, even in PM).

PS. You've been getting a lot of feedback on proposed changes. For the record, I love the game as it stands

More in a bit,

7z7

[Clearasday]

PS. You've been getting a lot of feedback on proposed changes. For the record, I love the game as it stands

As long as you like it Zark, I consider it a success.

[Hellheart]

For what it's worth, I wouldn't have played if this were a PM game.

I would have been seriously tempted (it is a CAD game), & simultaneously pissed (PM games require a lot of effort as I don't break character, even in PM).

PS. You've been getting a lot of feedback on proposed changes. For the record, I love the game as it stands

More in a bit,

7z7

Same as far as the PM's go, since Zark inspired me to maintain character even through PM's.

My biggest complaint is that outright kills should only be able to target masked accounts. The Masons' convert/kill option is alright as it is because the Masons risk targeting a player for a kill, only to land a convert and lose that player a day or two later. That effectively dooms the cult.

Outside of that, I liked the way this game played out quite a bit. It's far more interesting than most team games have been.

[rekard]

Hah. Seer dies.

[Clearasday]

Hah. Seer dies.

Both.

[Ozymandias]

Hadrian is dying as he was converted to the dead by Visigoth as Visigoth died. That's all you forgot Ozy I think.

Good! He deserves to die for abandoning humanchicken-anity!

[rekard]

Hadrian is dying as he was converted to the dead by Visigoth as Visigoth died. That's all you forgot Ozy I think.

Good! He deserves to die for abandoning humanchicken-anity!

So much truth in this. Death to the mercenaries!

[Ozymandias]

My biggest complaint is that outright kills should only be able to target masked accounts. The Masons' convert/kill option is alright as it is because the Masons risk targeting a player for a kill, only to land a convert and lose that player a day or two later. That effectively dooms the cult.

Except that the Masons aren't a cult-- they can still win if the Village Chickens win.

Also, I don't see why the Masons wouldn't work just as well (or even better) targeting Masked accounts instead of main accounts.

EDIT: In fact, that would have made it harder for a defector to take them out, since most cults converted via mains, not masks.

[Hellheart]

My biggest complaint is that outright kills should only be able to target masked accounts. The Masons' convert/kill option is alright as it is because the Masons risk targeting a player for a kill, only to land a convert and lose that player a day or two later. That effectively dooms the cult.

Except that the Masons aren't a cult-- they can still win if the Village Chickens win.

Also, I don't see why the Masons wouldn't work just as well (or even better) targeting Masked accounts instead of main accounts.

EDIT: In fact, that would have made it harder for a defector to take them out, since most cults converted via mains, not masks.

This only works if the Masons had the Loud Chicken Forum quirks (posting there using masked accounts, not main accounts).

The problem with the Masons is that a converted Mason knows the main account name of all of the other Masons. Since the Masons are a huge threat to every other cult, a cult that converts a Mason just got the full list of Masons and will poach from them with impunity.

[Ozymandias]

This only works if the Masons had the Loud Chicken Forum quirks (posting there using masked accounts, not main accounts).

Right, that's what I'm saying-- the Masons should only interact via masked accounts.

Which, btw, seems more befitting a secret society.

[Hellheart]

I'm not because muttermuttermutter

If it makes you feel any better, I thought you were rather well hidden.

(Responding to something from Pub because obviously I can't post this there)

It does, but apparently it was your post that got me killed so it didn't matter so much in the end. That said, it did confirm my sense that we had similar lines of argument and reasoning.

I do like that I noticed all of my own quirks, more or less, and was able to systematically eliminate them to make it difficult if not impossible to figure out that Antony was my account.

[rekard]

You know, since sphenodont first allegiance was to the chicken, he could have set up Constantine's team and make a last minute post posting the members of the cult. Why? He was not still a member of the cult, he was chicken!

It's not betrayal if you weren't part of them yet! That would have rocked, but he got greedy har har.

[Hadrian]

You know, since sphenodont first allegiance was to the chicken, he could have set up Constantine's team and make a last minute post posting the members of the cult. Why? He was not still a member of the cult, he was chicken!

It's not betrayal if you weren't part of them yet! That would have rocked, but he got greedy har har.

As I mentioned to CAD, I was reserving the right to snipe-vote someone into Constantine's forum and betray the new faction.

Is should have given them someone else's name instead of my own to convert, though. Kicked myself about that, but I couldn't guess who a safe person to pretend to be was.

[Ozymandias]

As I mentioned to CAD, I was reserving the right to snipe-vote someone into Constantine's forum and betray the new faction.

That wouldn't have worked-- as per CAD's Day 0 post, a "clear majority" was required to invite someone new to the forum.

[Clearasday]

As I mentioned to CAD, I was reserving the right to snipe-vote someone into Constantine's forum and betray the new faction.

That wouldn't have worked-- as per CAD's Day 0 post, a "clear majority" was required to invite someone new to the forum.

It would have worked. 1 vote for and 0 votes against is a clear majority, which is how Zark recruited you to the Loud Forum Ozy.

[Snake]

This was a lot simpler when I wasn't dead.

[Ozymandias]

This was a lot simpler when I wasn't dead.

Great game, Snake!

Sorry for being such a dick to you in the main thread (I was Tiberius)-- it did not occur to me that a newbie would post so much, so I thought you were a more experienced player (you talk a lot like Ryvvn, actually) making purposely misleading assumptions in order to steer the lynch vote discussion for nefarious purposes.

Anyway, hope you had fun!

[Hellheart]

This was a lot simpler when I wasn't dead.

You surprised me. Most new players don't post as much as you did, especially not early on and so boldly.

[Clearasday]

Snake is from Tales and a friend of mine and has been lynching seers for quite a while now. But they didn't know that, which is why it looks like nobody alive managed to guess your identity I think. Good job mate, welcome.

And welcome everyone who died tonight. You were hit by a combination of two nightkills from the Ducks nightkill and the Vampires.

[Snake]

This was a lot simpler when I wasn't dead.

You surprised me. Most new players don't post as much as you did, especially not early on and so boldly.

When in Rome.

[Ozymandias]

Snake is from Tales and a friend of mine and has been lynching seers for quite a while now.

In that case, allow me to speak your language ...

Sorry for being such a dick wanker to you in the main thread (I was Tiberius)

Fixed that for you me.

[Ozymandias]

So are the two ducks the only players who can't be converted? (Presumably they die if someone tries to convert them?)

[Snake]

I'm not sure how so any cults have me pinned as the same person. Specifically with abundant usage of favour and honour. Also I posted at 4am freedom time. Had nothing to lose though so I didn't care.

I do like how most cults assume I was a single word voter. That's moderately ironic.

[Clearasday]

So are the two ducks the only players who can't be converted? (Presumably they die if someone tries to convert them?)

Yes, yes.

[Snake]

I was going to be a duck! Oh, that would have been fantastic.

I have died without anyone knowing I was a true chicken until the last second, though. Woe. Now my good name will be trampled into the dirt.