Your Likeness Shall be Hung from the Wall (The Dead Thread)

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Re: Your Likeness Shall be Hung from the Wall (The Dead Thre

Postby Ozymandias » 30 Jun 2014, 13:06:21

The GM doesn't have to insist on receiving a copy of each PM.

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Re: Your Likeness Shall be Hung from the Wall (The Dead Thre

Postby Clearasday » 30 Jun 2014, 13:08:38

I do. CONTROL. I must have all of it.
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Re: Your Likeness Shall be Hung from the Wall (The Dead Thre

Postby Ozymandias » 30 Jun 2014, 13:13:04

Well, you could also only let each player only PM every other player once per day.

That should greatly limit the amount of PMs.

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Re: Your Likeness Shall be Hung from the Wall (The Dead Thre

Postby Clearasday » 30 Jun 2014, 13:22:51

Dont worry, I've already thought of a hundred ways to further complicate this game. Your ideas are not falling on deaf ears. The vig cult was actually cut and worked much like you suggested, because I stressed too much last time I ran a game from needless things like PMs and roles that interconnected too much. I decided that Masked accounts were enough complication this time. A masked account open PM multifaction cult conversion almost-everyone-is-special-game would need 3 CAD GMs.
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Re: Your Likeness Shall be Hung from the Wall (The Dead Thre

Postby rekard » 30 Jun 2014, 13:29:01

So what if Visigoth chooses to convert Hadrian? Would he get priority if the other cult decides to convert him? Given that he can't convert every day, it would be probably fair given the risks involved with his "I die, everyone dies" disadvantage.

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Re: Your Likeness Shall be Hung from the Wall (The Dead Thre

Postby Clearasday » 30 Jun 2014, 13:33:23

Will post cult heirarchy of conversion when on pc
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Re: Your Likeness Shall be Hung from the Wall (The Dead Thre

Postby Clearasday » 30 Jun 2014, 13:36:18

Admetus wrote:favored

If a cult wants to gain my favour they should use my language.
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Re: Your Likeness Shall be Hung from the Wall (The Dead Thre

Postby Hellheart » 30 Jun 2014, 14:22:42

Thank God nobody else is going for Smirker today.

You will die tonight, Wasabi, but your conversion choice has ensured that our cult will survive for at least one more day.

Well done.

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Re: Your Likeness Shall be Hung from the Wall (The Dead Thre

Postby Okaros » 30 Jun 2014, 15:16:05

All the commentary today about identifying masks based on the formatting of the vote histories is reminding to go spend some more time polishing up my Big Board. Hmmm.
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Re: Your Likeness Shall be Hung from the Wall (The Dead Thre

Postby Clearasday » 30 Jun 2014, 15:35:03

Looks like the cults might be fighting over the same targets tonight from what I've seen in my brief scan.
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Re: Your Likeness Shall be Hung from the Wall (The Dead Thre

Postby Ozymandias » 30 Jun 2014, 15:39:32

Clearasday wrote:Looks like the cults might be fighting over the same targets tonight from what I've seen in my brief scan.

I think just Slaves and Shamblers-- who has priority?

Bloods are killing Romulus, not trying to convert him like Ducks.

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Re: Your Likeness Shall be Hung from the Wall (The Dead Thre

Postby Ozymandias » 30 Jun 2014, 15:43:37

Why does Romulus' supposed faction going after Admetus affect their Night Kill?

They were converting Romulus, not killing him.

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Re: Your Likeness Shall be Hung from the Wall (The Dead Thre

Postby Hellheart » 30 Jun 2014, 15:45:36

YES! TWO MAN ECHO CHAMBER FAIL!

Masons for life!

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Re: Your Likeness Shall be Hung from the Wall (The Dead Thre

Postby Ozymandias » 30 Jun 2014, 15:47:30

Hellheart wrote:YES! TWO MAN ECHO CHAMBER FAIL!

Masons for life!

Might be a pyrrhic victory, with the Slaves getting the Seer.

Good chance they can win tomorrow night, especially with Blindsniper's vig.

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Re: Your Likeness Shall be Hung from the Wall (The Dead Thre

Postby Hellheart » 30 Jun 2014, 15:52:40

Okaros wrote:All the commentary today about identifying masks based on the formatting of the vote histories is reminding to go spend some more time polishing up my Big Board. Hmmm.

No kidding. I would never have posted a tally this game. I'd have to format it manually, and that's just not worth the effort. Posting my tally with retractions is a dead fucking giveaway.

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Re: Your Likeness Shall be Hung from the Wall (The Dead Thre

Postby Ozymandias » 30 Jun 2014, 16:04:34

Clearasday wrote:Dont worry, I've already thought of a hundred ways to further complicate this game.

I think the one thing you really need to fix is to figure out how to get people to post more in the Day thread.

That's a notorious problem for masked account games.

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Re: Your Likeness Shall be Hung from the Wall (The Dead Thre

Postby Okaros » 30 Jun 2014, 16:06:22

Ozymandias wrote:I think the one thing you really need to fix is to figure out how to get people to post more in the Day thread.

That's a notorious problem for masked account games.


Give everyone a "secret" 3 post, 1 paragraph minimum requirement as part of their role/power. :)
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Re: Your Likeness Shall be Hung from the Wall (The Dead Thre

Postby Clearasday » 30 Jun 2014, 16:09:32

Ozymandias wrote:
Clearasday wrote:Looks like the cults might be fighting over the same targets tonight from what I've seen in my brief scan.

I think just Slaves and Shamblers-- who has priority?

Bloods are killing Romulus, not trying to convert him like Ducks.


This is how I had the conversion priority set up.

Dead Convert
Vampires Convert
Duck Convert

Slaves Convert / Chickens of Repute Convert (Whichever has less wins or coinflip if equal)
Marines Convert or Kill

Masons Convert


Basically I prioritised the cults that were centralised around a leader or could not convert every day. Putting the Marines last, Masons last and Ducks high up also increases the chance of murder happening a lot.
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Re: Your Likeness Shall be Hung from the Wall (The Dead Thre

Postby Clearasday » 30 Jun 2014, 16:10:13

Ozymandias wrote:
Clearasday wrote:Dont worry, I've already thought of a hundred ways to further complicate this game.

I think the one thing you really need to fix is to figure out how to get people to post more in the Day thread.

That's a notorious problem for masked account games.

Easiest way to do that is take a leaf out of rekard's book and make there be day by day events that people have to either campaign for or vote other people in for. Gives another avenue of discussion.
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Re: Your Likeness Shall be Hung from the Wall (The Dead Thre

Postby Ozymandias » 30 Jun 2014, 16:11:41

Who got lynched?

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Re: Your Likeness Shall be Hung from the Wall (The Dead Thre

Postby Clearasday » 30 Jun 2014, 16:16:34

I've got:

Marius (5) - Caligula, Cincinnatus, Caracalla, Romulus, Valentinian
Caligula (5) - Cicero, Marius, Commodus, Nero, Remus
Romulus (3) - Domitian, Sulla, Augustus
Domitian (2) - Caesar, Constantine
Hadrian (1) - Pompey
Pompey (1) - Hadrian

With Commodus' power tiebreaking the lynch against Caligula.
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Re: Your Likeness Shall be Hung from the Wall (The Dead Thre

Postby Clearasday » 30 Jun 2014, 16:19:24

Hadrian wrote:French has been restored.

I really thought about lying who I was, but that probably would not have gone over well. I'm still reserving the right to snipe-recruit someone into Constantine's forum.

For tonight, let's seer Romulus > Caesar > Marius.
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Re: Your Likeness Shall be Hung from the Wall (The Dead Thre

Postby Hellheart » 30 Jun 2014, 16:20:47

So Admetus is surviving today, which is probably good because the Ducks need to figure out who's about to win and kill someone in that group.

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Re: Your Likeness Shall be Hung from the Wall (The Dead Thre

Postby Clearasday » 30 Jun 2014, 16:22:23

Hadrian wrote:Well, I'm glad they're in such a sharing mood. :P


Ryvvn wrote:
Romulus wrote:I have voted for you because today is not the day I die.

How right, for death comes tonight :twisted:


Two moments that I particularly liked today.
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Re: Your Likeness Shall be Hung from the Wall (The Dead Thre

Postby Clearasday » 30 Jun 2014, 16:24:15

Hadrian is dying as he was converted to the dead by Visigoth as Visigoth died. That's all you forgot Ozy I think.
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Re: Your Likeness Shall be Hung from the Wall (The Dead Thre

Postby 7-zark-7 » 30 Jun 2014, 16:24:46

necklessone wrote:For what it's worth, I wouldn't have played if this were a PM game.


I would have been seriously tempted (it is a CAD game), & simultaneously pissed (PM games require a lot of effort as I don't break character, even in PM).

PS. You've been getting a lot of feedback on proposed changes. For the record, I love the game as it stands

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Re: Your Likeness Shall be Hung from the Wall (The Dead Thre

Postby Clearasday » 30 Jun 2014, 16:26:52

7-zark-7 wrote:PS. You've been getting a lot of feedback on proposed changes. For the record, I love the game as it stands

As long as you like it Zark, I consider it a success.
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Re: Your Likeness Shall be Hung from the Wall (The Dead Thre

Postby Hellheart » 30 Jun 2014, 16:27:52

7-zark-7 wrote:
necklessone wrote:For what it's worth, I wouldn't have played if this were a PM game.


I would have been seriously tempted (it is a CAD game), & simultaneously pissed (PM games require a lot of effort as I don't break character, even in PM).

PS. You've been getting a lot of feedback on proposed changes. For the record, I love the game as it stands

More in a bit,

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Same as far as the PM's go, since Zark inspired me to maintain character even through PM's.

My biggest complaint is that outright kills should only be able to target masked accounts. The Masons' convert/kill option is alright as it is because the Masons risk targeting a player for a kill, only to land a convert and lose that player a day or two later. That effectively dooms the cult.

Outside of that, I liked the way this game played out quite a bit. It's far more interesting than most team games have been.

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Re: Your Likeness Shall be Hung from the Wall (The Dead Thre

Postby rekard » 30 Jun 2014, 16:28:31

Hah. Seer dies.

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Re: Your Likeness Shall be Hung from the Wall (The Dead Thre

Postby Clearasday » 30 Jun 2014, 16:29:38

rekard wrote:Hah. Seer dies.

Both.
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Re: Your Likeness Shall be Hung from the Wall (The Dead Thre

Postby Ozymandias » 30 Jun 2014, 16:30:05

Clearasday wrote:Hadrian is dying as he was converted to the dead by Visigoth as Visigoth died. That's all you forgot Ozy I think.

Good! He deserves to die for abandoning humanchicken-anity!

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Re: Your Likeness Shall be Hung from the Wall (The Dead Thre

Postby rekard » 30 Jun 2014, 16:43:52

Ozymandias wrote:
Clearasday wrote:Hadrian is dying as he was converted to the dead by Visigoth as Visigoth died. That's all you forgot Ozy I think.

Good! He deserves to die for abandoning humanchicken-anity!


So much truth in this. Death to the mercenaries!

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Re: Your Likeness Shall be Hung from the Wall (The Dead Thre

Postby Ozymandias » 30 Jun 2014, 16:44:25

Hellheart wrote:My biggest complaint is that outright kills should only be able to target masked accounts. The Masons' convert/kill option is alright as it is because the Masons risk targeting a player for a kill, only to land a convert and lose that player a day or two later. That effectively dooms the cult.

Except that the Masons aren't a cult-- they can still win if the Village Chickens win.

Also, I don't see why the Masons wouldn't work just as well (or even better) targeting Masked accounts instead of main accounts.

EDIT: In fact, that would have made it harder for a defector to take them out, since most cults converted via mains, not masks.

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Re: Your Likeness Shall be Hung from the Wall (The Dead Thre

Postby Hellheart » 30 Jun 2014, 16:54:17

Ozymandias wrote:
Hellheart wrote:My biggest complaint is that outright kills should only be able to target masked accounts. The Masons' convert/kill option is alright as it is because the Masons risk targeting a player for a kill, only to land a convert and lose that player a day or two later. That effectively dooms the cult.

Except that the Masons aren't a cult-- they can still win if the Village Chickens win.

Also, I don't see why the Masons wouldn't work just as well (or even better) targeting Masked accounts instead of main accounts.

EDIT: In fact, that would have made it harder for a defector to take them out, since most cults converted via mains, not masks.

This only works if the Masons had the Loud Chicken Forum quirks (posting there using masked accounts, not main accounts).

The problem with the Masons is that a converted Mason knows the main account name of all of the other Masons. Since the Masons are a huge threat to every other cult, a cult that converts a Mason just got the full list of Masons and will poach from them with impunity.

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Re: Your Likeness Shall be Hung from the Wall (The Dead Thre

Postby Ozymandias » 30 Jun 2014, 16:56:04

Hellheart wrote:This only works if the Masons had the Loud Chicken Forum quirks (posting there using masked accounts, not main accounts).

Right, that's what I'm saying-- the Masons should only interact via masked accounts.

Which, btw, seems more befitting a secret society.

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Re: Your Likeness Shall be Hung from the Wall (The Dead Thre

Postby Hellheart » 30 Jun 2014, 17:11:25

That PJ wrote:
Hellheart wrote:I'm not because muttermuttermutter :x

If it makes you feel any better, I thought you were rather well hidden.

(Responding to something from Pub because obviously I can't post this there)

It does, but apparently it was your post that got me killed so it didn't matter so much in the end. That said, it did confirm my sense that we had similar lines of argument and reasoning.

I do like that I noticed all of my own quirks, more or less, and was able to systematically eliminate them to make it difficult if not impossible to figure out that Antony was my account.

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Re: Your Likeness Shall be Hung from the Wall (The Dead Thre

Postby rekard » 30 Jun 2014, 17:20:24

You know, since sphenodont first allegiance was to the chicken, he could have set up Constantine's team and make a last minute post posting the members of the cult. Why? He was not still a member of the cult, he was chicken!

It's not betrayal if you weren't part of them yet! That would have rocked, but he got greedy har har.

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Re: Your Likeness Shall be Hung from the Wall (The Dead Thre

Postby Hadrian » 30 Jun 2014, 17:32:05

rekard wrote:You know, since sphenodont first allegiance was to the chicken, he could have set up Constantine's team and make a last minute post posting the members of the cult. Why? He was not still a member of the cult, he was chicken!

It's not betrayal if you weren't part of them yet! That would have rocked, but he got greedy har har.


As I mentioned to CAD, I was reserving the right to snipe-vote someone into Constantine's forum and betray the new faction.

Is should have given them someone else's name instead of my own to convert, though. Kicked myself about that, but I couldn't guess who a safe person to pretend to be was.

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Re: Your Likeness Shall be Hung from the Wall (The Dead Thre

Postby Ozymandias » 30 Jun 2014, 17:35:22

Hadrian wrote:As I mentioned to CAD, I was reserving the right to snipe-vote someone into Constantine's forum and betray the new faction.

That wouldn't have worked-- as per CAD's Day 0 post, a "clear majority" was required to invite someone new to the forum.

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Re: Your Likeness Shall be Hung from the Wall (The Dead Thre

Postby Clearasday » 30 Jun 2014, 17:37:35

Ozymandias wrote:
Hadrian wrote:As I mentioned to CAD, I was reserving the right to snipe-vote someone into Constantine's forum and betray the new faction.

That wouldn't have worked-- as per CAD's Day 0 post, a "clear majority" was required to invite someone new to the forum.

It would have worked. 1 vote for and 0 votes against is a clear majority, which is how Zark recruited you to the Loud Forum Ozy.
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Re: Your Likeness Shall be Hung from the Wall (The Dead Thre

Postby Snake » 30 Jun 2014, 17:39:01

This was a lot simpler when I wasn't dead.

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Re: Your Likeness Shall be Hung from the Wall (The Dead Thre

Postby Ozymandias » 30 Jun 2014, 17:42:46

Snake wrote:This was a lot simpler when I wasn't dead.

Great game, Snake!

Sorry for being such a dick to you in the main thread (I was Tiberius)-- it did not occur to me that a newbie would post so much, so I thought you were a more experienced player (you talk a lot like Ryvvn, actually) making purposely misleading assumptions in order to steer the lynch vote discussion for nefarious purposes.

Anyway, hope you had fun!

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Re: Your Likeness Shall be Hung from the Wall (The Dead Thre

Postby Hellheart » 30 Jun 2014, 17:42:53

Snake wrote:This was a lot simpler when I wasn't dead.

You surprised me. Most new players don't post as much as you did, especially not early on and so boldly.

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Re: Your Likeness Shall be Hung from the Wall (The Dead Thre

Postby Clearasday » 30 Jun 2014, 17:45:09

Snake is from Tales and a friend of mine and has been lynching seers for quite a while now. But they didn't know that, which is why it looks like nobody alive managed to guess your identity I think. Good job mate, welcome.

And welcome everyone who died tonight. You were hit by a combination of two nightkills from the Ducks nightkill and the Vampires.
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Re: Your Likeness Shall be Hung from the Wall (The Dead Thre

Postby Snake » 30 Jun 2014, 17:46:50

Hellheart wrote:
Snake wrote:This was a lot simpler when I wasn't dead.

You surprised me. Most new players don't post as much as you did, especially not early on and so boldly.


When in Rome.

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Re: Your Likeness Shall be Hung from the Wall (The Dead Thre

Postby Ozymandias » 30 Jun 2014, 17:48:34

Clearasday wrote:Snake is from Tales and a friend of mine and has been lynching seers for quite a while now.

In that case, allow me to speak your language ...

Ozymandias wrote:Sorry for being such a dick wanker to you in the main thread (I was Tiberius)

Fixed that for you me.

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Re: Your Likeness Shall be Hung from the Wall (The Dead Thre

Postby Ozymandias » 30 Jun 2014, 17:52:22

So are the two ducks the only players who can't be converted? (Presumably they die if someone tries to convert them?)

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Re: Your Likeness Shall be Hung from the Wall (The Dead Thre

Postby Snake » 30 Jun 2014, 17:54:05

I'm not sure how so any cults have me pinned as the same person. Specifically with abundant usage of favour and honour. Also I posted at 4am freedom time. Had nothing to lose though so I didn't care.

I do like how most cults assume I was a single word voter. That's moderately ironic.

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Re: Your Likeness Shall be Hung from the Wall (The Dead Thre

Postby Clearasday » 30 Jun 2014, 17:57:10

Ozymandias wrote:So are the two ducks the only players who can't be converted? (Presumably they die if someone tries to convert them?)

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Re: Your Likeness Shall be Hung from the Wall (The Dead Thre

Postby Snake » 30 Jun 2014, 17:59:00

I was going to be a duck! Oh, that would have been fantastic.

I have died without anyone knowing I was a true chicken until the last second, though. Woe. Now my good name will be trampled into the dirt.


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