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Re: Your Likeness Shall be Hung from the Wall (The Dead Thre

Postby Clearasday » 30 Jun 2014, 18:01:56

I'm going away tomorrow until Wed to see a friend that's out of my city, so just a warning that tomorrow's Day 7 write-up will be very short and blunt. If anyone wants to write anything at all for it then they are very welcome to.
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Re: Your Likeness Shall be Hung from the Wall (The Dead Thre

Postby Hellheart » 30 Jun 2014, 18:03:31

We could work on it together, I imagine. You have a reasonably good template given the last two writeups.

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Re: Your Likeness Shall be Hung from the Wall (The Dead Thre

Postby Ozymandias » 30 Jun 2014, 18:09:25

Snake wrote:I'm not sure how so any cults have me pinned as the same person. Specifically with abundant usage of favour and honour.

Don't think you used "honour" as Romulus, but I did see "favour" and "rubbish." I thought it was Ryvvn pretending to be stigmata (Kiwi) or Furin (anglophile), because I didn't realize you were British.

Though "Cheers" and "fiver" from the signup thread should have been a giveaway ...

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Re: Your Likeness Shall be Hung from the Wall (The Dead Thre

Postby Clearasday » 30 Jun 2014, 18:38:00

Hellheart wrote:We could work on it together, I imagine. You have a reasonably good template given the last two writeups.

Yeah, thanks. will see how much time I find free tomorrow before I go.
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Re: Your Likeness Shall be Hung from the Wall (The Dead Thre

Postby Ozymandias » 30 Jun 2014, 19:02:04

Kind of funny that DOM apparently hasn't realized yet that Rictus isn't playing this game.

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Re: Your Likeness Shall be Hung from the Wall (The Dead Thre

Postby Ozymandias » 30 Jun 2014, 22:01:35

When did Admetus find out he was a duck?

Day 4, or the start of the game?

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Re: Your Likeness Shall be Hung from the Wall (The Dead Thre

Postby Hellheart » 30 Jun 2014, 23:44:12

Ozymandias wrote:When did Admetus find out he was a duck?

Day 4, or the start of the game?

Day 4. CAD said he gave the role to a random human since nobody was targeted by 2 cults prior to Day 4.

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Re: Your Likeness Shall be Hung from the Wall (The Dead Thre

Postby Snake » 01 Jul 2014, 02:15:46

I can't believe I was one of only 3 humans left. It explains the masses of unregulated voting but, still, I felt much more secure than that.

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Re: Your Likeness Shall be Hung from the Wall (The Dead Thre

Postby sphenodont » 01 Jul 2014, 07:25:25

I don't know how much it might affect analysis, but I think being revealed as a cultist when I died (in the process of being converted) can only help the Slaves.

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Re: Your Likeness Shall be Hung from the Wall (The Dead Thre

Postby Hellheart » 01 Jul 2014, 07:27:48

Shit, Ryvvn's killing Smirker. Not good for the non-slaves.

And the Ducks might be killing Aldax or Wasabi, which could easily mean the game.

Smirker's voting to kill a Duck, although I would've probably tried to kill Admetus in that position as well so I don't blame him.

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Re: Your Likeness Shall be Hung from the Wall (The Dead Thre

Postby Ozymandias » 01 Jul 2014, 07:55:27

Hellheart wrote:Shit, Ryvvn's killing Smirker. Not good for the non-slaves.

And the Ducks might be killing Aldax or Wasabi, which could easily mean the game.

Smirker's voting to kill a Duck, although I would've probably tried to kill Admetus in that position as well so I don't blame him.

If these targets hold, the game's almost certainly over tonight:

Bloods kill Valentinian (Mason)
Masons kill Admetus (Duck)
Ducks convert Caesar (Human)
Ducks kill Aldax/Wasabi (both Masons)
Slaves convert Ryvvn (Blood)

So the Slaves win if EITHER (a) a Slave doesn't get lynched, OR (b) Blindsniper kills someone not already being targeted.

Frankly, every other faction deserves to lose today if they don't lynch Constantine (or in the Bloods' and Ducks' case, target him), who is by far the most likely conversion target.

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Re: Your Likeness Shall be Hung from the Wall (The Dead Thre

Postby Snake » 01 Jul 2014, 09:19:29

4 deaths in one night really speeds things along.

Caesar/Antipater is going to be totally confused when it happens. I was confused as hell and it was certainly less to take in than the game about to end with this many people currently alive.

Edit: Or he nailed it. :roll:

One thing I will say about this game. While the many cults thing was very cool, if you didn't get converted it was overwhelming. It started to feel like the informed majority.

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Re: Your Likeness Shall be Hung from the Wall (The Dead Thre

Postby Hellheart » 01 Jul 2014, 10:20:18

Snake wrote:One thing I will say about this game. While the many cults thing was very cool, if you didn't get converted it was overwhelming. It started to feel like the informed majority.

This happens all the time in team games when you're not on a team. If you ever get a Sociopath role, it'll feel the same way.

The trick in that situation is to focus on survival; as a human your survival makes it harder for the cults to win, and as a Sociopath your survival gives you more time to use your powers to whittle down the opposition.

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Re: Your Likeness Shall be Hung from the Wall (The Dead Thre

Postby Okaros » 01 Jul 2014, 15:36:20

Alas, poor RaveBomb. Publicly admitting to having a forum may have been a mistake.
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Re: Your Likeness Shall be Hung from the Wall (The Dead Thre

Postby Ozymandias » 01 Jul 2014, 15:42:18

So will Pompey fire his Vig shot to save Constantine?

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Re: Your Likeness Shall be Hung from the Wall (The Dead Thre

Postby Ozymandias » 01 Jul 2014, 15:56:39

So looks like the Slaves' timidity will leave them one short?

I think I have 9 players, 4 slave resulting right now.

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Re: Your Likeness Shall be Hung from the Wall (The Dead Thre

Postby Ozymandias » 01 Jul 2014, 15:57:07

I assume Omega's vote doesn't count?

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Re: Your Likeness Shall be Hung from the Wall (The Dead Thre

Postby Okaros » 01 Jul 2014, 15:57:35

Looks like he or someone else deleted it.
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Re: Your Likeness Shall be Hung from the Wall (The Dead Thre

Postby Ozymandias » 01 Jul 2014, 15:59:28

CAD, parity check doesn't occur until night, right?

So Blind vigging someone first thing tomorrow won't automatically give them the win?

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Re: Your Likeness Shall be Hung from the Wall (The Dead Thre

Postby Ozymandias » 01 Jul 2014, 16:05:11

btw, I think the Slaves converting dferr's lover was a mistake for the other slaves-- now if either dferr or stigmata dies, the Slaves lost two members instead of just one.

That could cost them the game.
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Re: Your Likeness Shall be Hung from the Wall (The Dead Thre

Postby RaveBomb » 01 Jul 2014, 17:18:03

Well. This has been entertaining.
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Re: Your Likeness Shall be Hung from the Wall (The Dead Thre

Postby Clearasday » 01 Jul 2014, 17:26:01

Welcome to the dead players. Sorry I can't say much right now I've got to run and sleep but you all played the game of Chickens well and nearly reached Endgame. I think its quite the achievement getting this far.
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Re: Your Likeness Shall be Hung from the Wall (The Dead Thre

Postby RaveBomb » 01 Jul 2014, 17:34:10

Hadrian wrote:
rekard wrote:You know, since sphenodont first allegiance was to the chicken, he could have set up Constantine's team and make a last minute post posting the members of the cult. Why? He was not still a member of the cult, he was chicken!

It's not betrayal if you weren't part of them yet! That would have rocked, but he got greedy har har.


As I mentioned to CAD, I was reserving the right to snipe-vote someone into Constantine's forum and betray the new faction.

Is should have given them someone else's name instead of my own to convert, though. Kicked myself about that, but I couldn't guess who a safe person to pretend to be was.

Can't anyone be trusted these days/ :lol: :flail:
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Re: Your Likeness Shall be Hung from the Wall (The Dead Thre

Postby RaveBomb » 01 Jul 2014, 17:37:19

Clearasday wrote:Note to Ravebomb: Your Masked posts actually convinced me that you were really Zark until I went back over the player lists and got mighty confused.


You're welcome. I'm glad I screwed with someone's head. :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Your Likeness Shall be Hung from the Wall (The Dead Thre

Postby Admetus » 01 Jul 2014, 17:55:14

Well, I made it a day past where I thought I would.

While I started out thinking the Ducks were seriously overpowered, that three day late start was a serious handicap. Also I was awful at picking out masks, so that didn't help. I'm relieved that DOM and Antipater will be able to continue without me.

Playing with masks really gave me a chance to gain more respect for the people that played in the open, since I wasn't burdened by my preconceived notions. Antipater has a good chance of working well with DOM to suppress the slave rebellion. Of course there were more people that played like me, cowardly and possibly hurting the village's survival chances by withholding all analysis from the public. Still didn't save me from my inevitable death.

I tell you one thing, though. You never mess with a Duck. We'll kill off your whole cult just to put you in your place. I wonder if the Duck-bitten body count will be the highest with the latest start.

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Re: Your Likeness Shall be Hung from the Wall (The Dead Thre

Postby Admetus » 01 Jul 2014, 17:56:23

Ozymandias wrote:
Clearasday wrote:Dont worry, I've already thought of a hundred ways to further complicate this game.

I think the one thing you really need to fix is to figure out how to get people to post more in the Day thread.

That's a notorious problem for masked account games.

Not just that, it's a problem with team games, which this also was.

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Re: Your Likeness Shall be Hung from the Wall (The Dead Thre

Postby Hellheart » 01 Jul 2014, 18:30:01

Admetus, your death was simply revenge for offing the Mason's leader because of a post he didn't even make :P

I'm really hoping that DOM realizes that I was converting from the quiet players and moves away from Aldax, because he really needs to murder a Slave. Really, really needs to murder a Slave.

EDIT: And your faction's difficulties pale in comparison to what the Masons faced. Wasabi made phenomenal decisions after I died; the only reason we're down to one Mason is Ryvvn's decision to kill off the guy that Vig Shot a cultist.

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Re: Your Likeness Shall be Hung from the Wall (The Dead Thre

Postby Hellheart » 01 Jul 2014, 18:42:06

At least nobody's going to convert Aldax to wipe out our Cult. He may not send in a murder order every day either, but he can't hit a Leader anymore and anyone he targets is going to die.

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Re: Your Likeness Shall be Hung from the Wall (The Dead Thre

Postby Ozymandias » 01 Jul 2014, 18:48:43

Hellheart wrote:At least nobody's going to convert Aldax to wipe out our Cult. He may not send in a murder order every day either, but he can't hit a Leader anymore and anyone he targets is going to die.

Yeah, but Aldax has the hardest win condition-- since there are no Villagers left, he has to outlive EVERYBODY else.

Which means that if he's one of two players left at the end of a Night, he automatically loses (if he's still a Mason).

So I'd say the Masons(/Villagers) are well under 5% to win ...

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Re: Your Likeness Shall be Hung from the Wall (The Dead Thre

Postby Ozymandias » 01 Jul 2014, 19:27:30

The non-Slaves should all reveal their factions.

That's the best way to assure they (a) don't lynch a non-Slave tonight, and (b) target a slave tonight.

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Re: Your Likeness Shall be Hung from the Wall (The Dead Thre

Postby Hellheart » 01 Jul 2014, 19:37:09

Ozymandias wrote:The non-Slaves should all reveal their factions.

That's the best way to assure they (a) don't lynch a non-Slave tonight, and (b) target a slave tonight.

I half-agree with this. The problem is that it's pretty easy to assume that the kills are not coming from the Slaves, since they just lost somebody and are still at 4. Revealing your faction is basically giving the factions with kills the roadmap they need to stay in the picture. For a single-player like Aldax that makes sense, but otherwise...not so much.

The correct thing is just to look at who didn't vote for Ravebomb. That list contains at least 3 slaves.

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Re: Your Likeness Shall be Hung from the Wall (The Dead Thre

Postby Ozymandias » 01 Jul 2014, 20:23:21

Hellheart wrote:The correct thing is just to look at who didn't vote for Ravebomb. That list contains at least 3 slaves.

There are only two living players who did vote for Constantine-- Domitian and Commodus.

Everyone else either voted for someone else or didn't vote.

So this approach isn't particularly informative.

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Re: Your Likeness Shall be Hung from the Wall (The Dead Thre

Postby Ozymandias » 01 Jul 2014, 20:31:19

Hellheart wrote:
Ozymandias wrote:The non-Slaves should all reveal their factions.

That's the best way to assure they (a) don't lynch a non-Slave tonight, and (b) target a slave tonight.

I half-agree with this. The problem is that it's pretty easy to assume that the kills are not coming from the Slaves, since they just lost somebody and are still at 4.

But that's even more reason to do the faction reveal! You don't have to worry about them killing you, so you can gang up on them to take them out.

The Ducks especially should be pushing faction reveal HARD, since they can convert to replace anyone lost via a night kill.

In fact, the Ducks could easily win tonight if they can get the other factions to target the Slaves.

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Re: Your Likeness Shall be Hung from the Wall (The Dead Thre

Postby Hellheart » 01 Jul 2014, 20:38:43

That's even more reason to do the faction reveal...if you're a duck :P

Masons can't convert. Blood faction can't convert. If they reveal who they are, they may as well be giving themselves up. They'll be targeted and they can't grow anymore.

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Re: Your Likeness Shall be Hung from the Wall (The Dead Thre

Postby Admetus » 01 Jul 2014, 20:44:25

Hellheart wrote:Admetus, your death was simply revenge for offing the Mason's leader because of a post he didn't even make :P

You misunderstand. I didn't identify you correctly, sure. But if PJ hadn't made that high profile post, that doesn't increase your chances much if I can't find you quickly. I made the decision to shoot you because it wouldn't hurt you at all if you weren't my enemy already.

Hellheart wrote:I'm really hoping that DOM realizes that I was converting from the quiet players and moves away from Aldax, because he really needs to murder a Slave. Really, really needs to murder a Slave.

Our faction didn't luck into any informational powers (besides creative night kill use) and controlled such a small slice of the information, we never got a chance to build any affiliation charts. I'm sure they'll work on it now, DOM's already mentioned one way to get that job done -- get himself into lynch trouble as a poison pill. Hopefully it doesn't come to that.

Hellheart wrote:EDIT: And your faction's difficulties pale in comparison to what the Masons faced. Wasabi made phenomenal decisions after I died; the only reason we're down to one Mason is Ryvvn's decision to kill off the guy that Vig Shot a cultist.

It seems to me like you're simplifying the incredibly fluid situation a bit too much. This is a very chaotic scenario. When I talk about wiping out two cults that messed with us, I'm not seriously claiming credit for master strokes of diabolic planning. I'm just amused by the luck of the outcome.

And anyways, the Ducks totally ripped the hearts out of those two cults. So there. :P

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Re: Your Likeness Shall be Hung from the Wall (The Dead Thre

Postby Admetus » 01 Jul 2014, 20:47:28

Ozymandias wrote:In fact, the Ducks could easily win tonight if they can get the other factions to target the Slaves.

Absolutely. Ducks are in it to win it. I agree with your earlier statement, converting a second lover into the cult was premature, and makes this game closer than it looks. They have only three bodies to lose, not four.

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Re: Your Likeness Shall be Hung from the Wall (The Dead Thre

Postby Ozymandias » 01 Jul 2014, 20:49:30

Hellheart wrote:That's even more reason to do the faction reveal...if you're a duck :P

Masons can't convert. Blood faction can't convert. If they reveal who they are, they may as well be giving themselves up. They'll be targeted and they can't grow anymore.

But the Bloods already know they've been revealed to the biggest threat, the Slaves.

And the Slaves can attack them via main accounts, but the Bloods can't retaliate because they don't know, well, their Slave names (masked accounts).

So the Bloods are at a huge information disadvantage that will likely cost them the game, unless they also role reveal.

As for Aldax, well, I think his only chance is convincing everyone else that he has no chance.

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Re: Your Likeness Shall be Hung from the Wall (The Dead Thre

Postby Admetus » 01 Jul 2014, 20:52:31

Ozymandias wrote:As for Aldax, well, I think his only chance is convincing everyone else that he has no chance.

That didn't fly with yesterday's crowd. Maybe with the Lynch or Lose warning.

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Re: Your Likeness Shall be Hung from the Wall (The Dead Thre

Postby Hellheart » 01 Jul 2014, 21:45:53

Ozymandias wrote:
Hellheart wrote:That's even more reason to do the faction reveal...if you're a duck :P

Masons can't convert. Blood faction can't convert. If they reveal who they are, they may as well be giving themselves up. They'll be targeted and they can't grow anymore.

But the Bloods already know they've been revealed to the biggest threat, the Slaves.

And the Slaves can attack them via main accounts, but the Bloods can't retaliate because they don't know, well, their Slave names (masked accounts).

So the Bloods are at a huge information disadvantage that will likely cost them the game, unless they also role reveal.

Oooh, you're right. I totally forgot about this angle. I can see where you're going with that then. Even if the Slaves convince him to vote with them to lynch a non-slave, directing at least 2 of the 3 kills at Slaves will still keep the game going. And the Bloods have nothing to lose since chances are super high that their next conversion is Ryvvn.

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Re: Your Likeness Shall be Hung from the Wall (The Dead Thre

Postby Admetus » 01 Jul 2014, 21:54:18

And how would a group that hasn't ever seen someone else's member list (Ducks) know if people lied?

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Re: Your Likeness Shall be Hung from the Wall (The Dead Thre

Postby Ozymandias » 01 Jul 2014, 22:07:54

Admetus wrote:And how would a group that hasn't ever seen someone else's member list (Ducks) know if people lied?

They wouldn't. But if the Ducks come clean about being Ducks, and then a Slave lies about being a Blood or a Mason, the actual Bloods or Mason will know, and probably try to kill them.

So it's very risky for a Slave to claim another cult. What would probably happen is that a Slave will try to claim that they're still a Villager.

But the non-Slaves know that there are only five non-Slaves. And Ryvvn and Omega can vouch for one another, as can DOM and Antipater.

So faced with a choice between Aldax claiming Mason, a Slave claiming Village, or Slaves not claiming at all, it should be hard to figure out who the Slaves are.

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Re: Your Likeness Shall be Hung from the Wall (The Dead Thre

Postby Ozymandias » 01 Jul 2014, 22:15:18

There's another way someone can prove they're on a faction-- correctly listing all their night actions.

For example, if I were Aldax, and someone else claimed Mason, I would challenge them to list everything the Masons have done.

The fake Mason would then be likely to claim another faction's kill, thereby exposing himself.

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Re: Your Likeness Shall be Hung from the Wall (The Dead Thre

Postby Admetus » 01 Jul 2014, 23:03:22

Ozymandias wrote:There's another way someone can prove they're on a faction-- correctly listing all their night actions.

For example, if I were Aldax, and someone else claimed Mason, I would challenge them to list everything the Masons have done.

The fake Mason would then be likely to claim another faction's kill, thereby exposing himself.

In this case, it's still just his word against yours. Didn't change anything.

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Re: Your Likeness Shall be Hung from the Wall (The Dead Thre

Postby Ozymandias » 01 Jul 2014, 23:42:54

Admetus wrote:
Ozymandias wrote:There's another way someone can prove they're on a faction-- correctly listing all their night actions.

For example, if I were Aldax, and someone else claimed Mason, I would challenge them to list everything the Masons have done.

The fake Mason would then be likely to claim another faction's kill, thereby exposing himself.

In this case, it's still just his word against yours. Didn't change anything.

You don't have to convince everybody-- just someone with a night kill.

Fake Mason claims to have killed Caracalla on Night 5. Aldax says no, we didn't.

Ducks know that THEY killed Visigoth/Caracalla on Night 5.

Therefore, Ducks now know fake Mason is lying, and are more likely to target him.

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Re: Your Likeness Shall be Hung from the Wall (The Dead Thre

Postby Ozymandias » 02 Jul 2014, 00:14:18

Did not realize the newly-united Lovers get a revenge kill if they get taken out.

So there could be 9 deaths today?

Pompey Vig
Lynch
Remus (Poisoned Chicken) lynch revenge
Mason maul
Blood maul
Duck maul
Failed Slave conversion of Duck
Mourning Lover's death
Lovers' revenge

Theoretically, everybody could die by tonight! That would be awesome!

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Re: Your Likeness Shall be Hung from the Wall (The Dead Thre

Postby Snake » 02 Jul 2014, 01:13:41

Christ, that would be hysterical.

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Re: Your Likeness Shall be Hung from the Wall (The Dead Thre

Postby Snake » 02 Jul 2014, 01:20:22

stigmata wrote:Seems like it'd be helpful for us to share my role stuff. I'm one of the Lovers. Converting the other one would mean that, if either of us is killed, you get a free kill on whoever made it happen. Would you guys be willing to go ahead with that?


:lol:

It's like a ridiculous rom-com where the two lovers are standing on opposite sides of a small wall. They both get sad and leave.

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Re: Your Likeness Shall be Hung from the Wall (The Dead Thre

Postby Hellheart » 02 Jul 2014, 02:48:01

Ozymandias wrote:
Admetus wrote:
Ozymandias wrote:There's another way someone can prove they're on a faction-- correctly listing all their night actions.

For example, if I were Aldax, and someone else claimed Mason, I would challenge them to list everything the Masons have done.

The fake Mason would then be likely to claim another faction's kill, thereby exposing himself.

In this case, it's still just his word against yours. Didn't change anything.

You don't have to convince everybody-- just someone with a night kill.

Fake Mason claims to have killed Caracalla on Night 5. Aldax says no, we didn't.

Ducks know that THEY killed Visigoth/Caracalla on Night 5.

Therefore, Ducks now know fake Mason is lying, and are more likely to target him.

All Aldax has to do is claim Mason, say he's the ONLY Mason, and then quote a couple of my strategy posts from the forum. There's no way Aldax can make shit like that up, which means that he has to be a Mason.

It's probably a bit of metagaming in that it lets him prove his identity where he really shouldn't be able to, but it's well within the established rules.

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Re: Your Likeness Shall be Hung from the Wall (The Dead Thre

Postby Clearasday » 02 Jul 2014, 04:03:11

Hellheart wrote:
Ozymandias wrote:
Admetus wrote:
Ozymandias wrote:There's another way someone can prove they're on a faction-- correctly listing all their night actions.

For example, if I were Aldax, and someone else claimed Mason, I would challenge them to list everything the Masons have done.

The fake Mason would then be likely to claim another faction's kill, thereby exposing himself.

In this case, it's still just his word against yours. Didn't change anything.

You don't have to convince everybody-- just someone with a night kill.

Fake Mason claims to have killed Caracalla on Night 5. Aldax says no, we didn't.

Ducks know that THEY killed Visigoth/Caracalla on Night 5.

Therefore, Ducks now know fake Mason is lying, and are more likely to target him.

All Aldax has to do is claim Mason, say he's the ONLY Mason, and then quote a couple of my strategy posts from the forum. There's no way Aldax can make shit like that up, which means that he has to be a Mason.

It's probably a bit of metagaming in that it lets him prove his identity where he really shouldn't be able to, but it's well within the established rules.

The real question is whether the town will believe that he's town sided, and whether he should even tell them that since he's the only town sided player left.
THERE IS NO JUSTICE, THERE IS JUST CLEARASDAY.

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Re: Your Likeness Shall be Hung from the Wall (The Dead Thre

Postby Snake » 02 Jul 2014, 05:01:48

Antipater wrote:Well I am just about completely sure that Domitian is That PJ. Writing style seems right - and after working with him for 5 years I hope I can judge. As sure as I get anyways.


:lol:

That's going to be embarrassing.


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