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Re: Your Likeness Shall be Hung from the Wall (The Dead Thre

Posted: 02 Jul 2014, 05:54:57
by It Came Back!
Ozymandias wrote:Did not realize the newly-united Lovers get a revenge kill if they get taken out.

So there could be 9 deaths today?

Pompey Vig
Lynch
Remus (Poisoned Chicken) lynch revenge
Mason maul
Blood maul
Duck maul
Failed Slave conversion of Duck
Mourning Lover's death
Lovers' revenge

Theoretically, everybody could die by tonight! That would be awesome!

First of all, thanks for the game CAD. Twas fun, but the only thing I'm not sure about is the targeting of main accounts.

And it would be super-awesome if they managed to have a full-death scenario. It would also be a TWG first, wouldn't it?

Re: Your Likeness Shall be Hung from the Wall (The Dead Thre

Posted: 02 Jul 2014, 05:58:05
by Smirker
/facepalm

Oh well, at least I posted on the wrong account on a good forum...

Re: Your Likeness Shall be Hung from the Wall (The Dead Thre

Posted: 02 Jul 2014, 06:07:11
by Clearasday
Valentinian wrote:
Ozymandias wrote:Did not realize the newly-united Lovers get a revenge kill if they get taken out.

So there could be 9 deaths today?

Pompey Vig
Lynch
Remus (Poisoned Chicken) lynch revenge
Mason maul
Blood maul
Duck maul
Failed Slave conversion of Duck
Mourning Lover's death
Lovers' revenge

Theoretically, everybody could die by tonight! That would be awesome!

First of all, thanks for the game CAD. Twas fun, but the only thing I'm not sure about is the targeting of main accounts.

I think the players complaining about masked accounts targeting kills seem to have misunderstood this game and the point of the masked accounts. Staying quiet and hiding your identity was not the point. Its not like necklessones masked account game. Here you are fully encouraged to guess and reveal masked and main accounts and that information was always intended to be important. As is the case in every masked account game ive ever played (bar necklessones where guessing at identities was banned which I loved). Just because you hid well does not mean you arent going to get killed if they're searching for someone else. Also veterans of my games should know by now that I am a bastard.

Re: Your Likeness Shall be Hung from the Wall (The Dead Thre

Posted: 02 Jul 2014, 06:53:06
by RaveBomb
So there could be 9 deaths today?


Oh gawd, I want to share this little factoid SO MUCH. :P

I'll be good.

Re: Your Likeness Shall be Hung from the Wall (The Dead Thre

Posted: 02 Jul 2014, 06:54:42
by Snake
Domitian wrote:Anyone who trusts a player's words over patterns is a fool.


Stone cold.

Re: Your Likeness Shall be Hung from the Wall (The Dead Thre

Posted: 02 Jul 2014, 06:56:06
by Hellheart
I thought the point of the masked accounts was to let us hide from the foxes?

And lol @ Antipater comment.

Re: Your Likeness Shall be Hung from the Wall (The Dead Thre

Posted: 02 Jul 2014, 06:59:35
by Okaros
RaveBomb wrote:I'll be good.


You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means... </Vizzini>

Re: Your Likeness Shall be Hung from the Wall (The Dead Thre

Posted: 02 Jul 2014, 07:59:52
by Snake
DOM's current account guesses are 0 for 7. Ouch.

Re: Your Likeness Shall be Hung from the Wall (The Dead Thre

Posted: 02 Jul 2014, 08:10:44
by Admetus
Well, he got Visigoth for us when it counted. I think I was 0 for 30 by the end, not counting leans I could have gone back on.

Re: Your Likeness Shall be Hung from the Wall (The Dead Thre

Posted: 02 Jul 2014, 08:15:52
by Snake
So do I root for the ducks now or what? I feel disenfranchised.

Re: Your Likeness Shall be Hung from the Wall (The Dead Thre

Posted: 02 Jul 2014, 08:18:57
by Admetus
Well, you are a duck. The most cunning duck, if a little bit over-dead.

Re: Your Likeness Shall be Hung from the Wall (The Dead Thre

Posted: 02 Jul 2014, 08:42:45
by twdog
Thanks for the game CAD. It's an entertaining game and I'm sorry I had to drop out.

An acquisition of another company started to go completely off the rails and turn into a massive fiasco. Also there were some tech issues :D

Re: Your Likeness Shall be Hung from the Wall (The Dead Thre

Posted: 02 Jul 2014, 09:08:34
by Ozymandias
Clearasday wrote:I think the players complaining about masked accounts targeting kills seem to have misunderstood this game and the point of the masked accounts.

I got the point, I just think it's a needlessly random one. The game would be a better test of skill if you could only kill players by masked account, not main account.

I think the only time the main account targeting worked like you intended was when the Ducks killed Visigoth because they wanted Caracalla dead-- that was Visigoth's own fault, because he revealed himself in a Caracalla post and DOM picked up on it.

But every other time a main account was targeted for a night kill, there didn't seem to be an in-game reason for it. (Or if there was, the player was mistakenly associated with the wrong mask account-- in which case, I much rather see the mask account die, not the main.)

Re: Your Likeness Shall be Hung from the Wall (The Dead Thre

Posted: 02 Jul 2014, 09:09:42
by Hellheart
Welp, looks like DOM may just be following the old pattern and not caring whether or not he hits a Slave - right now, he'd take out Aldax and totally remove the Masons from the game. Which could, by the way, mean the Masons don't get their Nightkill given the order of operations.

I imagine he'll change his tune once Blindsniper takes his shot and the Slaves are 4/8. If he doesn't re-evaluate then...well, that's some severe problems right there.

Re: Your Likeness Shall be Hung from the Wall (The Dead Thre

Posted: 02 Jul 2014, 09:12:56
by Ozymandias
Ironically, Nero/That PJ requesting that Pompey kill Caesar will result in the Bloods killing Nero.

Lucky break for the non-Slaves.

Also fortunate that Blindsniper has to fire so early-- should give the non-Slaves plenty of time to get their act together and vote for Pompey.

Re: Your Likeness Shall be Hung from the Wall (The Dead Thre

Posted: 02 Jul 2014, 09:13:25
by Clearasday
Hellheart wrote:Welp, looks like DOM may just be following the old pattern and not caring whether or not he hits a Slave - right now, he'd take out Aldax and totally remove the Masons from the game. Which could, by the way, mean the Masons don't get their Nightkill given the order of operations.

I imagine he'll change his tune once Blindsniper takes his shot and the Slaves are 4/8. If he doesn't re-evaluate then...well, that's some severe problems right there.

That is not how the operations work. They will get their nightkill. Nothing can stop their action. Other things will just activate first.

Re: Your Likeness Shall be Hung from the Wall (The Dead Thre

Posted: 02 Jul 2014, 09:25:58
by Clearasday
Blind shooting DOM does not a Duck victory make. Unless they change those orders up a bit.

Re: Your Likeness Shall be Hung from the Wall (The Dead Thre

Posted: 02 Jul 2014, 09:43:24
by Admetus
I'm surprised quite a bit by that shot. One of the high priorities for the Slaves should be splitting the vote, and they just forced Ryvvn to reevaluate his mistake.

Re: Your Likeness Shall be Hung from the Wall (The Dead Thre

Posted: 02 Jul 2014, 10:11:58
by Ozymandias
Any non-Slave who doesn't vote for Pompey now deserves to be Caligula'd.

Re: Your Likeness Shall be Hung from the Wall (The Dead Thre

Posted: 02 Jul 2014, 10:19:41
by Admetus
If the village lynches Pompey (kind of a big if, but possible), that means Cicero dies as well, right? Would that allow the Ducks to recruit Nero?

Re: Your Likeness Shall be Hung from the Wall (The Dead Thre

Posted: 02 Jul 2014, 10:22:52
by Ozymandias
Admetus wrote:If the village lynches Pompey (kind of a big if, but possible), that means Cicero dies as well, right?

Why? Cicero and Sulla are lovers.

Re: Your Likeness Shall be Hung from the Wall (The Dead Thre

Posted: 02 Jul 2014, 10:34:43
by Ozymandias
Ryvvn to the rescue!

That PJ definitely jumped the gun-- should have waited until later in the day to vote.

Though it will be interesting to see if Aldax and Antipater side with Ryvvn, given that he initially voted for Cicero instead of Pompey.

Re: Your Likeness Shall be Hung from the Wall (The Dead Thre

Posted: 02 Jul 2014, 11:01:07
by Snake
Damn. This day is full of firm put downs and dramatic backhands.

Re: Your Likeness Shall be Hung from the Wall (The Dead Thre

Posted: 02 Jul 2014, 12:47:08
by Ozymandias
So let me get this straight ... Pompey kills a non-Slave, and no one is voting for him? Or targeting him tonight?

Ryyvn and Omega both know that, by chance alone, Pompey is 75% likely to be a Slave. And he's not their top target after his vig shot?

Even Aldax and Antipater could be 62.5% sure that Pompey is a Slave ...

Re: Your Likeness Shall be Hung from the Wall (The Dead Thre

Posted: 02 Jul 2014, 13:18:08
by Snake
Yeah that's a really strange one. The last day vig shot in favour of the slaves is a huge red card.

Re: Your Likeness Shall be Hung from the Wall (The Dead Thre

Posted: 02 Jul 2014, 13:39:46
by Admetus
Ozymandias wrote:
Admetus wrote:If the village lynches Pompey (kind of a big if, but possible), that means Cicero dies as well, right?

Why? Cicero and Sulla are lovers.

Whoops, I remembered that wrong.


Subject: Day 7 - Endgame

Caesar wrote:So for now I will simply stick to my RNG guns from yesterday:

Commodus

Things look pretty bleak for those of us not in the dominant cult sector, and I have no power moves to make here.

What the fox, you can't just toss your vote to random on a day where the bad guys control half the vote.

Re: Your Likeness Shall be Hung from the Wall (The Dead Thre

Posted: 02 Jul 2014, 14:00:12
by Admetus
Looks like Aldax and Antipater will kill each other, darn.

Re: Your Likeness Shall be Hung from the Wall (The Dead Thre

Posted: 02 Jul 2014, 15:09:56
by Clearasday
I was expecting more loud power plays from the vamps and ducks. They're both still in the running for this win and all they need to do is make an ally to backstab tonight.

Re: Your Likeness Shall be Hung from the Wall (The Dead Thre

Posted: 02 Jul 2014, 15:12:18
by Snake
I think that the paranoia and uncertainty might be totally consuming by this point. It's so far away from how the game started it may be too difficult to mentally change gears.

Re: Your Likeness Shall be Hung from the Wall (The Dead Thre

Posted: 02 Jul 2014, 15:17:18
by Ozymandias
Admetus wrote:Looks like Aldax and Antipater will kill each other, darn.

Actually, looks like Aldax will be dead, assuming dferr/Sulla snipe switches.

So Antipater and Ryvvn will be the ones that kill each other!

At least stigmata will be converted to the Ducks, so the Lovers won't win too.

Re: Your Likeness Shall be Hung from the Wall (The Dead Thre

Posted: 02 Jul 2014, 15:34:09
by Visigoth
Very interesting game CAD. Though I debate that someone that can bring the dead to life can actually die himself. Now, you make me a zombie chicken looking for some brains and unleash me on the remaining chickens... I'll starve.

Ozymandias wrote:
Clearasday wrote:I think the only time the main account targeting worked like you intended was when the Ducks killed Visigoth because they wanted Caracalla dead-- that was Visigoth's own fault, because he revealed himself in a Caracalla post and DOM picked up on it.
Hmm? My mispost or something else?

Re: Your Likeness Shall be Hung from the Wall (The Dead Thre

Posted: 02 Jul 2014, 15:42:54
by Ozymandias
Visigoth wrote:Very interesting game CAD. Though I debate that someone that can bring the dead to life can actually die himself. Now, you make me a zombie chicken looking for some brains and unleash me on the remaining chickens... I'll starve.

Ozymandias wrote:
Clearasday wrote:I think the only time the main account targeting worked like you intended was when the Ducks killed Visigoth because they wanted Caracalla dead-- that was Visigoth's own fault, because he revealed himself in a Caracalla post and DOM picked up on it.
Hmm? My mispost or something else?

When DOM originally speculated about masks here in this thread: viewtopic.php?f=103&t=689#p30058

He wrote something like "Only Visigoth could have written that last Caracalla post" (hence Admetus's response in the next post).

I'm pretty sure DOM was referring to this post:

viewtopic.php?f=94&t=683#p29962

EDIT: whoops, look like I have the wrong Caracalla post (see post below).

btw, "fault" may have come across as unduly harsh-- I'm equally to blame for the Shambling loss for first suggesting we convert Valerian, which was stupid given how easy it was to figure out he was rekard-- I was just specifically referring to your being targeted by main account not being random but rather game-related (because Caracalla voted for Marius/Admetus).

Re: Your Likeness Shall be Hung from the Wall (The Dead Thre

Posted: 02 Jul 2014, 15:44:03
by Admetus
It's this one. DOM edited his mask speculation so the original quote is gone now.

Subject: Day 3 - The Chickens of Repute

Caracalla wrote:
Valerian wrote:Wonder no more, cuz I am chicken. Now make the right choice. Notice how no one is coming to my rescue, sir of the ugly name. I do wonder now about you. With so few days of useful chicken information you throw the excuse " I may have suspects tomorrow". You sir are full of fox.

You only vote so your fox buddies stay safe. Now guess what kind of fox I'm talking about. Hihihihi.
My suspect would be the chicken pointing a wing at you that to me reads as one who has talked with the gods and has been given special information. Now perhaps I'm being lead astray by their post which is why if you happen to not be a fox I'll likely push for them tomorrow. An additional reason for voting on you is that when in the lynch lead you decided to switch off on your singleton vote only to give someone a 2nd vote when there were three other people at 3 votes which would have put you into a tie. Also the fact that the person you are basically throwing away you vote on at the moment is the one that dropped the hints sure seems like someone who wants to remove a possible Seer from the game which sure doesn't seem a very pro-chicken action.


DOM said "only Visigoth could have written that paragraph" or something similar. I immediately agreed, heh. It's got you all over it.

And yes, we killed you because we were reasonably certain that would hit the target we needed to remove. At that point we were kind of all-in on the concept that it could be seriously damaging to our cult if the leader (me) died. I would never have sanctioned DOM's tying vote there if I was the cultist and he was the leader.

Re: Your Likeness Shall be Hung from the Wall (The Dead Thre

Posted: 02 Jul 2014, 15:51:56
by Ozymandias
CAD, will anything strange happen when the united lovers are separated after Cicero gets converted?

Re: Your Likeness Shall be Hung from the Wall (The Dead Thre

Posted: 02 Jul 2014, 15:58:49
by Ozymandias
that was a super early snipe switch!

maybe antipater is online and will switch his vote?

Re: Your Likeness Shall be Hung from the Wall (The Dead Thre

Posted: 02 Jul 2014, 16:00:48
by Clearasday
Ozymandias wrote:CAD, will anything strange happen when the united lovers are separated after Cicero gets converted?

Not unless one dies. They just won't get a lovers victory and Cicero will lose if the Slaves win.

Re: Your Likeness Shall be Hung from the Wall (The Dead Thre

Posted: 02 Jul 2014, 16:01:05
by Admetus
Antipater said he wouldn't be available after 1:00 pm. So nope.

Re: Your Likeness Shall be Hung from the Wall (The Dead Thre

Posted: 02 Jul 2014, 16:02:09
by Ozymandias
Odd final statement from Ryvvn/Domitian, given that he didn't switch his own kill.

Re: Your Likeness Shall be Hung from the Wall (The Dead Thre

Posted: 02 Jul 2014, 16:02:50
by Clearasday
This situation is literally the reason conditionals were invented.

Re: Your Likeness Shall be Hung from the Wall (The Dead Thre

Posted: 02 Jul 2014, 16:15:12
by Clearasday
That's the game ending at 5 players with 3 Slaves

Night 7 Conclusion
Vampires (1) - Omega
Slaves (3) - Blindsniper83 + Dferrantino + That PJ
Ducks (1) - Stigmata

Re: Your Likeness Shall be Hung from the Wall (The Dead Thre

Posted: 02 Jul 2014, 16:15:28
by necklessone
Would you have accepted a night kill conditional along the lines of "the first person to change their vote in the last two minutes of the day"?

Re: Your Likeness Shall be Hung from the Wall (The Dead Thre

Posted: 02 Jul 2014, 16:46:58
by Clearasday
Yes. I always try to make my forum games as much like the parlour game as possible, and would be open to that sort of conditional.

Re: Your Likeness Shall be Hung from the Wall (The Dead Thre

Posted: 02 Jul 2014, 17:19:06
by Visigoth
Ozymandias wrote:
Visigoth wrote:btw, "fault" may have come across as unduly harsh-- I'm equally to blame for the Shambling loss for first suggesting we convert Valerian, which was stupid given how easy it was to figure out he was rekard-- I was just specifically referring to your being targeted by main account not being random but rather game-related (because Caracalla voted for Marius/Admetus).
Nah. I blame you and rekard since if you guys wouldn't have died on me we'd still be in this thing. :D I did like the gambit of converting the person that I was currently having a spat with. Even if it wasn't rekard I think there were too many feathers ruffled by that point so he was not going to last but one or two days. Plus being Seer'd would have certainly put roasted him even after buying an extra day or two. A gamble but sometimes you have to roll the hard six.

Yeah, I haven't gone back and fully read all the other forums, but it is interesting the mix of main verse mask voting. I'd have probably leaned towards masks only since if after a couple of days and Ozy is till alive it is certainly easier to just target him verses trying to figure out his mask account. Though our little cabal was a bit different in that we could freely share information since once you were under my spell you were mine for good. Other cults had to be a little more careful since information could possibly move from cult to cult. Though I'm sure if they would have had to use the mask accounts if the group was targeting one of their own they'd speak-up and reveal themselves.

Re: Your Likeness Shall be Hung from the Wall (The Dead Thre

Posted: 02 Jul 2014, 17:28:29
by rekard
Well done. Deaths accelerated towards the end but slaves win.And Ozy is right, they should have killed Pompey.

Re: Your Likeness Shall be Hung from the Wall (The Dead Thre

Posted: 02 Jul 2014, 17:35:47
by Ozymandias
Don't think dead can post in Day thread yet.

Re: Your Likeness Shall be Hung from the Wall (The Dead Thre

Posted: 02 Jul 2014, 17:36:53
by Clearasday
I'll try adding everyone to Humans.

Re: Your Likeness Shall be Hung from the Wall (The Dead Thre

Posted: 02 Jul 2014, 18:54:20
by DastardlyOldMan
Hmm.... a lot of the strategy suggestions from the Dead thread were heavily biased toward knowing that the Slaves were the group of four at the end. For all I knew, it was the Bloods or . . . whatever the other one was - I was fairly certain that the Masons and Repute were low on the count, but I couldn't have asked for a reveal without knowing that the Slaves were the ones in the majority. For all I knew, they had been created on Day 4, just as the Ducks had been.

I did have a post typed and then deleted that suggested that we were no longer in a conversion game and were in a team game, and that if you weren't on the team of four, you'd better be voting against the team of four. But there was no way to confirm team-of-4 without a full reveal, and then meeting-meeting-meeting-dead-end-of-story for me. But damn you, second vig shot, and way to not wait until a team of four had aligned itself before taking that shot on the day when it really, really counted.

Again, we're reinforcing the notion of the single-word-vote-and-no-other-post wins, which is to say, the best way to win is to barely play the game. We, as players, need to nix that by removing less active players earlier rather than later.

Re: Your Likeness Shall be Hung from the Wall (The Dead Thre

Posted: 02 Jul 2014, 19:14:23
by Ozymandias
DastardlyOldMan wrote:Hmm.... a lot of the strategy suggestions from the Dead thread were heavily biased toward knowing that the Slaves were the group of four at the end. For all I knew, it was the Bloods or . . . whatever the other one was - I was fairly certain that the Masons and Repute were low on the count, but I couldn't have asked for a reveal without knowing that the Slaves were the ones in the majority. For all I knew, they had been created on Day 4, just as the Ducks had been.

But it didn't matter which faction had four-- all that mattered is that each of the smaller factions had a way of attacking the larger faction. So if the Slaves tried to fake faction claim, the real members of that faction would have attacked them.

DastardlyOldMan wrote:HI did have a post typed and then deleted that suggested that we were no longer in a conversion game and were in a team game, and that if you weren't on the team of four, you'd better be voting against the team of four.

Yeah, I think that would have been the best play.

Re: Your Likeness Shall be Hung from the Wall (The Dead Thre

Posted: 02 Jul 2014, 19:24:03
by dferrantino
Ozymandias wrote:
DastardlyOldMan wrote:Hmm.... a lot of the strategy suggestions from the Dead thread were heavily biased toward knowing that the Slaves were the group of four at the end. For all I knew, it was the Bloods or . . . whatever the other one was - I was fairly certain that the Masons and Repute were low on the count, but I couldn't have asked for a reveal without knowing that the Slaves were the ones in the majority. For all I knew, they had been created on Day 4, just as the Ducks had been.

But it didn't matter which faction had four-- all that mattered is that each of the smaller factions had a way of attacking the larger faction. So if the Slaves tried to fake faction claim, the real members of that faction would have attacked them.

DastardlyOldMan wrote:HI did have a post typed and then deleted that suggested that we were no longer in a conversion game and were in a team game, and that if you weren't on the team of four, you'd better be voting against the team of four.

Yeah, I think that would have been the best play.

Quick counterpoint: if this happened, I'd have claimed Marine. Both PJ and I knew full well there was noone else who'd be able to counter-claim it.

Re: Your Likeness Shall be Hung from the Wall (The Dead Thre

Posted: 02 Jul 2014, 19:34:50
by Ozymandias
dferrantino wrote:Quick counterpoint: if this happened, I'd have claimed Marine. Both PJ and I knew full well there was noone else who'd be able to counter-claim it.

Right, but Ryvvn knew the Marines were dead, right?

So you two claiming Marines would have exposed your masked accounts to Ryvvn.

Also, if you two claim Marine, then that means either both of you are part of the largest faction or neither of you are, which would be helpful in and of itself.

EDIT: Also, if I were playing and you claimed Marines, the first thing I would ask is who did you kill, at which you'd be in trouble since you didn't kill anyone.