First off, thank you for the game rekard. I hope you enjoyed exacting your vegeance on my poor little brain. Every time I thought I had the faction layout figured out, a new faction popped up, over and over and over again.
I'm very glad I was able to be here for the return to Draker.
I do think I'm going to take a break for bit, and possibly from (advertised, at least) conversion games in general. This was ultimately a bit *too* crazy for my taste and things at work are getting busy again.
Now, a crapton of responses/comments/questions, etc...
-) Why didn't people suspect Furin of being the Nutjob?
I, at least, thought Furin couldn't be the Nutjob because he would have had to be making guesses and using whatever his powers were while dead/on vacation (The WHOOP WHOOP alarm at the immediate start of Day 6 was assumed to be the Nutjob's work during Day 5/Night 5). Day 5 wasn't a revenge day, so Furin being able to use his powers while dead was very, very unexpected.
Also, Admetus' human role was revealed on death, so there was at least a partial expectation that if the Nutjob was a Special Human like the Vigilante that he'd be revealed like that. The fact that he Vigged someone but was revealed as "plain" human reinforced the notion that he had to have been on a team that had a vig as a special power, and that was *further* backed up when MEM was revealed as a psychopathic wolf. Having 2 out of 3 "specials" in the game reveal on death implied very heavily that the Nutjob would as well.
-) Why keep the identity of the Sikrit traitor a secret on Day 7?
I was worried about the lynch landing on a Sikrit member. Rather than try and bait/bribe/threaten into lynching the "correct" person I figured it was easier/safer to keep it obscured and make people have to face a coinflip. Plus, I half-expected Zark and/or Furin to release their PM publicly in an attempt to stop what I was hoping would be our victory. Keeping the traitor's identity obscured meant that I could insulate against that.
-) Part B of the above: Why did I play the Sikrit sociopath/traitor to Zark in PMs on Day 8? Multiple layers of psychology:
1) Because of the 0% thing and the long delay on the Nightis-is-dead reveal I was convinced at the time that the Vampirian Zark/twdog team had been compromised by a conversion.
2) I knew my own team was compromised at least once.
a) I was hoping Zark was the Vampirian traitor or at least suspected as much. I wanted him pointed at either twdog or Furin, but I was doubtful it would work and I expected him to reveal the PM in order to sow discord inside SIkrit...
b) I had to motivate both Aldax (sociopath? loyal?) and Rictus (Wasabeon traitor) to vote together in order to force at least a coinflip for a non-Sikrit. If *I* say I'm a traitor on my own it's less likely to be believed than if an opposing team "leaks" that fact. If all three members of Sikrit are singleton teams we *have* to lynch a non-Sikrit together in order to avoid losing. I could tolerate Furin being lynched because I could maul one of twdog/Zark but it would be a gamble: With Nightis gone, Rictus was a Wasabeon and I thought I had a 50/50 chance of mauling the wrong target and giving them the win if they had also converted Zark or twdog. The 0% thing coupled with the slow reveal on Nightis had me convinced another sociopath/non-parity player or a team with a non-parity victory condition was in play, so lynching a Vampirian and then mauling the other was the only *sure* way to avoid losing. Or so I thought.
c) Zark gave me what I wanted as a result and the lynch fell out exactly as I hoped/wanted. It also freed me from the question of whether or not to honor the deal we'd made. I *do* try very hard to honor the spirit of the deals I make, and with the 0% message saying a 2v2 mutual win couldn't happen I at least wanted to try and keep Zark alive at the end... up until he betrayed me himself, at least. (And then Furin shot me and made it moot anyway).
And now you all have an explanation of how even my lies have lies. Wheels within wheels within wheels. (Oh hey, is that alfalfa pellet? Thanks spheno.
Questions of my own:
-) So spheno died due to colliding conversions?
-) Why didn't we (Sikrit) get our conversion as an option on Day 6? Rictus/Blindsniper/Simon were a three-person faction that we should have been able to convert from at that point, yes?
-) Can someone explain how there was 0% chance of two teams sharing victory at the start of Day 8? Is it because of Furin's vig being reloaded? I'm still very confused. That message combined with the long delay on Nightis being dead and gone really, really wrecked what I thought I understood of the game state, even though my understanding leaing up to that (rictus converted, aldax loyal, both vampirian loyal, furin nutjob/sociopath) was entirely correct.
-) Rictus, why didn't you join the Hellheart train? That's how I "knew" you were the traitor. You should've been able to join that pile-on with perfect safety since you were Wasabeon (and not Nightis like I originally thought) and it would have helped insulate Simon from the last-minute switch you were all afraid of...
-) Were there any negative consequences from the revival at all? (other than the obvious fact that Furin was alive to shoot me in the back)
A comment on the game mechanics/balance:
-) Was taking away no-revive from the second revival day really necessary? With PMs to/from the revival targets available it seems like it would taking no-revive away would force the revival of the admitted sociopath (and nutjob) 100% of the time. If the secret factions have to pick between options they're going to pick the one that maybe benefits them vs. known opponents every time. This basically means we would had to have killed Furin not once, not twice, but THREE times in order to remove his threat: Two mauls (thanks MEM
) plus another death post-revival, all without him being revealed or his powers ceasing to work. This, coupled with having a reloading (
) vig shot felt a bit overboard power-wise.
Finally, general nonsense:
Admetus wrote:You are owed quite a few back-shootings, mister.
Yes, yes I am. The question is, can people accomplish them faster than I accrue them?
Also, well-played Furin. I expected your betrayal, but that was not the delivery method I anticipated.